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12-09-2012, 02:36 AM
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Mtl/Edm

To the Canadiens: Yakupov
To the Oilers: PK Subban

Why Montreal does this, Yakupov is an exciting and legit offensive talent and can be reunited with former Sarnia teammate/linemate Galchenyuk

Why Edmonton does this, Subban is a up and coming top 2 defenceman, filling a need on the Edmonton blueline. With Whitney's injury history Edmonton needs a PP QB.

Subban didn't resign with Mtl andI think he wants out. Edmonton resigned Hemsky and has paid him as a top 6 RW (Yakupovs natural position) while Eberle is a lock first line RW.

Does other side need to add?

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12-09-2012, 02:53 AM
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mmmm nha !!

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12-09-2012, 03:05 AM
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NO!!!! I don't even like Yak as much as most Oiler fans, but this is no less ridiculous than the other 1000 times it was proposed. Montreal would need to add a significant asset. And no, the Oilers don't need a PP QB. Between Schultz, Petry, and Whitney, we'll be just fine

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12-09-2012, 03:07 AM
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habs need to add when the Yak guy has not yet skate in the big league .... sure ... this is to end damn well !

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12-09-2012, 03:24 AM
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Yak and Whitney for Suban and Galchenyuk. I'd consider it.

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habs need to add when the Yak guy has not yet skate in the big league .... sure ... this is to end damn well !
Then I'm sure you'll be glad to trade us Galchenyuk for Plante eh? Give your head a shake

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The **** is this thread Jesus Christ...

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you ARE talking about a top 2 if not number 1 def vs a high listed first round pick ... who needs to add ... and why on Earth would you consider Plante in that?? shaking head ... ... go get a map !!

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To the Canadiens: Yakupov
To the Oilers: PK Subban

Why Montreal does this, Yakupov is an exciting and legit offensive talent and can be reunited with former Sarnia teammate/linemate Galchenyuk

Why Edmonton does this, Subban is a up and coming top 2 defenceman, filling a need on the Edmonton blueline. With Whitney's injury history Edmonton needs a PP QB.

Subban didn't resign with Mtl andI think he wants out. Edmonton resigned Hemsky and has paid him as a top 6 RW (Yakupovs natural position) while Eberle is a lock first line RW.

Does other side need to add?

Flame away.
Impartial fan here, saying Edmonton has to add. Based on you know...this thing called logic...P.K. has established himself in the league. He is at worst a #3 defenseman on any team in the league. To say Montreal would have to add to a player who has yet to play a single game in the NHL is idiotic. Arguments can be made that any prospect can become the second coming of Jesus on skates, but the fact remains that the prospect isn't a guarantee.

Only on HF will a prospect who hasn't played a single game in the NHL be worth more than a player who has established himself as at worst a top 3 D in the league.

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12-09-2012, 05:36 AM
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Impartial fan here, saying Edmonton has to add. Based on you know...this thing called logic...P.K. has established himself in the league. He is at worst a #3 defenseman on any team in the league. To say Montreal would have to add to a player who has yet to play a single game in the NHL is idiotic. Arguments can be made that any prospect can become the second coming of Jesus on skates, but the fact remains that the prospect isn't a guarantee.

Only on HF will a prospect who hasn't played a single game in the NHL be worth more than a player who has established himself as at worst a top 3 D in the league.
By the same Logic would you rather have a "proven" 10$ or a ticket with one chance out of two to win 50$ (25$ expectation) ?

If the expectation and the odds a player will become an NHL player are good enough, prospect have greater value than current player.

And isn't only on HF that a proven rivet is traded for Gorges and a pick. That a proven Gomez is traded for a McDonagh, That a proven Nieuwendyk is traded for Iginla.

How do you explain the Lindros trade ? Only on HF?


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Impartial fan here, saying Edmonton has to add. Based on you know...this thing called logic...P.K. has established himself in the league. He is at worst a #3 defenseman on any team in the league. To say Montreal would have to add to a player who has yet to play a single game in the NHL is idiotic. Arguments can be made that any prospect can become the second coming of Jesus on skates, but the fact remains that the prospect isn't a guarantee.

Only on HF will a prospect who hasn't played a single game in the NHL be worth more than a player who has established himself as at worst a top 3 D in the league.


So by your "logic" you are saying that the holder of next years, or the year after, or the year afters 1st overall pick would trade that pick for a number 3 defenceman? Interesting logic you have going there.

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By the same Logic would you rather have a "proven" 10$ or a ticket with one chance out of two to win 50$ (25$ expectation) ?

If the expectation and the odds a player will become an NHL player are good enough, prospect have greater value than current player.

And isn't only on HF that a proven rivet is traded for Gorges and a pick. That a proven Gomez is traded for a McDonagh, That a proven Nieuwendyk is traded for Iginla.

How do you explain the Lindros trade ? Only on HF?
Terrible examples.

Gomez was traded with Tom Pyatt and Michael Busto for McDonaugh, Higgins, Valentenko, and Janik.

Nieuwendyk was in the midst of a contract dispute and he was traded for Iginla AND Corey Millen.

Lindros and Yakupov aren't on the same world right now. Lindros was hyped up to be the second coming of Gretzky, the only other first round pick in recent years that would reasonably fetch something like that would be Crosby.

When trading prospect for established talent, the team with the prospect always will add. Even if it's something as little as a third line forward or a sixth defenseman, they will add.

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12-09-2012, 06:58 AM
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Terrible examples.

Gomez was traded with Tom Pyatt and Michael Busto for McDonaugh, Higgins, Valentenko, and Janik.

Nieuwendyk was in the midst of a contract dispute and he was traded for Iginla AND Corey Millen.

Lindros and Yakupov aren't on the same world right now. Lindros was hyped up to be the second coming of Gretzky, the only other first round pick in recent years that would reasonably fetch something like that would be Crosby.

When trading prospect for established talent, the team with the prospect always will add. Even if it's something as little as a third line forward or a sixth defenseman, they will add.
Always?

What did they add to Lindros?

There are plenty of examples where they didnt add to a prospect/pick to get a proven player.

On June 24, 2011 John-Michael Liles was traded by the Avalanche to the Toronto Maple Leafs for a 2nd round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft
on September 12, 2008, Robert Lang was traded to the Montreal Canadiens for a second-round draft pick in 2010.

Crosby was once just an unproven prospect too, would you had traded a proven 3 pairing defenseman for him in summer 2005?


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12-09-2012, 07:08 AM
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So by your "logic" you are saying that the holder of next years, or the year after, or the year afters 1st overall pick would trade that pick for a number 3 defenceman? Interesting logic you have going there.
Sublime example of politeness

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I don't even like Yakupov, but no way would I want PK Subban in the Oilers locker room. Habs and Oilers don't mix well and have never made good trading partners, Oilers pass.

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I don't even like Yakupov, but no way would I want PK Subban in the Oilers locker room. Habs and Oilers don't mix well and have never made good trading partners, Oilers pass.
Oh this old nugget again...

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Huge no from the Habs.

#1 defencemen are harder to find than first-line wingers and our defense would be terrible if this went through.

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12-09-2012, 07:59 AM
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I love Subban, he is my favorite player.


But this is the kind of overpayment that would force me to accept to trade him.

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I love Subban, he is my favorite player.


But this is the kind of overpayment that would force me to accept to trade him.
You do not represent our fanbase at all, anyone can see right through you.

Overpayment.. yeah.. At best its fair value.

Subban and Price are your favourite players, amirite?

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You do not represent our fanbase at all, anyone can see right through you.

Overpayment.. yeah.. At best its fair value.

Subban and Price are your favourite players, amirite?
This is absolutely, sincerely and with all my honestly correct.

Its just that i dont mix my heart and my head when it come to proposal.....and by this i completely agree that i dont represent our fanbase at all.

I go with what a believe is the best for the team. (often on the long term)

Just a question? how many of you took into consideration the possibility in the new CBA that the entry level contract will be 5 years when considering this proposal? I dont mean its the end of all, but its the kind of details that matter.

i expect the next CBA to increase the value of prospect like Yakupov. ( it could also increase Subban value, by moving the UFA eligibility to 28yo, so we could be able to negotiate a better contract.)


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The only thing the habs would add to make this trade palatable is scott gomez.

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No one adds. IMO.

Habs fans can complain that they would lose a already established player for a prospect.

However; with the Galchenyuk factor, it makes it a no brainer.

You would be trading for Boardwalk, when you already have a parkplace.


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Yak and Whitney for Suban and Galchenyuk. I'd consider it.
Habs get bent over

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No one adds. IMO.

The habs fans can complain that they would lose a already established player for a prospect.

However with the Galchenyuk factor, it makes it a no brainer.

You would be trading for Boardwalk, when you already have a parkplace.
And you know the funny thing ? Summer 2016 i could see the possibility Subban come back in Montreal organization as UFA.

Subban love Montreal, and It would not be the first time that a player a team traded would come back as UFA.

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I think this type of proposal should be banned... I mean, neither side does it and the rational neutral fans that come in, neither side takes their opinion into question when it's the one people should be looking for.

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