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12-09-2012, 02:27 PM
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The problem for the Leafs is that by the time they round into a Cup Contender (if ever), Vinny's contract will be an absolute albatross. If the Leafs were in compete mode now i can see the merit in this deal. But lets face it, they are not.

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12-09-2012, 02:45 PM
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The problem for the Leafs is that by the time they round into a Cup Contender (if ever), Vinny's contract will be an absolute albatross. If the Leafs were in compete mode now i can see the merit in this deal. But lets face it, they are not.
Lets say they trade Ashton+MacA+pick for a goalie that can be interpreted for who it is.
2013-2014
FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.000m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Tyler Biggs ($1.138m) / Tyler Bozak ($2.500m) / Matt Frattin ($0.925m)
Leo Komarov ($1.200m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Mike Brown ($0.737m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Carl Gunnarson ($3.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Morgan Rielly ($1.775m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Korbinian Holzer ($0.575m)
GOALTENDERS
Bobert Bongo ($5.333m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
BUYOUTS
Darcy Tucker ($1.000m) / Colby Armstrong ($1.000m) / Mike Komisarek ($2.167m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,568,106; BONUSES: $1,625,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $8,256,894
Pretty good contender imo.


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12-09-2012, 03:35 PM
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The problem for the Leafs is that by the time they round into a Cup Contender (if ever), Vinny's contract will be an absolute albatross. If the Leafs were in compete mode now i can see the merit in this deal. But lets face it, they are not.
So true...

And for Tampa the 2.2 million per annum isn't enough to warrant trading away the face of the franchise. Even as a 60ish point center, he's as respected over there as Sundin was here....

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12-09-2012, 03:52 PM
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Rather have grabovski

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12-09-2012, 04:39 PM
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That is 100% not true. We're fine with it and we have plenty of cap space, and with it more on the way in the coming years with Brewer and St.Louis coming off the books.
Well i didn't mean HAVE TO, more just that the offer would be too good to be true so they ought to. Grabovski and his deal going forward is worth more than Lecavalier and his deal going forward IMO.

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12-09-2012, 04:46 PM
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Grabovski and his deal going forward is worth more than Lecavalier and his deal going forward IMO.
In a vacuum, it's debatable. To the Lightning specifically, you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

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12-09-2012, 05:17 PM
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This Leaf fan would.....

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Most Bolts and Leafs fans would reject this trade. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Grabovski has grown on me over the past couple of seasons (I absolutely despised him when he played in Hamilton, and hated him just as much when he began his Leafs career). He's developed into quite a good second liner, very reliable and hard working. But then he got the new contract, and I believe the Leafs need to get rid of him. I like Vinny. Yeah, his contract is awful, but he's a great leader, he still produces at a good clip, and he's huge. I think he can still be a number one center on a lot of teams, and he'd certainly improve the Leafs.
In a heartbeat.

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12-09-2012, 05:29 PM
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Lecavalier + Connolly for Grabovski + Colborne + 2nd
Tell me why Colborne is always in leaf's proposals

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12-09-2012, 05:38 PM
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I like this trade, I think its a good evaluation of both needs and value.

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12-09-2012, 06:23 PM
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Vinny isn't the star that he used to be, when he was arguably the best player in the league. Though with that said, hes still a force to be reckon with, and when we make the playoffs he steps up his game and really pushes the team. Hes our captain, great for the community and a fan favorite. Hes not worth his cap hit, but hes not hurting the team either. I would rather keep Vinny to be honest.

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12-09-2012, 06:27 PM
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Were only ADDING 2.2 since Grabo is going the other way. I dont like Lecavlier's contract at all tbh, and he has sort of lost his stride, and its been a couple years now for people saying he had a bad season.
I was referring to the post above mine about kadri straight up

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Tell me why Colborne is always in leaf's proposals
he isn't performing as of yet. Just like how kadri was in everyone when he wasn't performing.

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12-09-2012, 07:13 PM
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Komisarek and Lecavalier's contracts.....

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12-09-2012, 08:04 PM
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Realistically.... not a chance from Toronto's standpoint.

First, there's the matter of $2.2m additional dollars for a guy who doesn't produce substantially more than Grabovski, and doesn't seem to be as much of a "catalyst" on his line.

Second, there's age to consider. Lecavalier is 32 years old, has played since age 18, and has been in a decline over the past 3-4 years. This isn't the 100+ point or 90+ point Vincent Lecavalier we're talking about in the 2 years after the last lockout. This is a guy who's paced 65 points over the last 2 seasons, and 70 points the 2 years before that. Grabovski's 28 years old, and has seen relatively consistent improvement in recent years. As a guy who broke into the league on a permanent basis at age 24, there's a chance he may still be improving slightly.

Third, there's contract. Grabovski has 4 years plus this season (if there is one) on his deal. Lecavalier has 7, and while that doesn't seem to be too substantial a difference, those years on the tail end are a pretty big consideration... simply because... Both teams can be reasonably confident in saying that they'll need Lecavalier/Grabovski for the next 2-3 years.... but there's a lot of uncertainty beyond that. In 2-3 years, Grabovski's got 2 years on his contract which gives another team the ability to say the same. Lecavalier has 5.

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Komisarek and Lecavalier's contracts.....
At this point... they're not even that comparable. Yeah, they're both overpaid, and there isn't a ton of urgency for either team to get rid of them because they fill a need, but Komisarek has 1 full year on his deal left. Lecavalier has 7.

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12-09-2012, 10:17 PM
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So true...

And for Tampa the 2.2 million per annum isn't enough to warrant trading away the face of the franchise. Even as a 60ish point center, he's as respected over there as Sundin was here....
This is the ONLY way to explain it to a leafs fan why Tampa wouldn't even consider this trade. No other reasoning from us Bolt fans will suffice. We can bicker/debate/talk about this until the lockout is done but that one line should nip this in the butt.

The love Toronto had for Sundin is the perfect comparison to Vinny in Tampa.

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12-09-2012, 11:10 PM
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This is the ONLY way to explain it to a leafs fan why Tampa wouldn't even consider this trade. No other reasoning from us Bolt fans will suffice. We can bicker/debate/talk about this until the lockout is done but that one line should nip this in the butt.

The love Toronto had for Sundin is the perfect comparison to Vinny in Tampa.
But then the comparisons of which player is better comes out, and whether people would offer 10M to Vinny. But I get what your saying, he's highly respected and your cup winner.

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12-10-2012, 02:02 AM
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How about Lecavalier for Kadri? I don't see the Leafs trading Grabovski, tbh.

Maybe a salary dump or draft picks to even out the trade.
My jaw just dropped.

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12-10-2012, 03:04 AM
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This is the ONLY way to explain it to a leafs fan why Tampa wouldn't even consider this trade. No other reasoning from us Bolt fans will suffice. We can bicker/debate/talk about this until the lockout is done but that one line should nip this in the butt.

The love Toronto had for Sundin is the perfect comparison to Vinny in Tampa.
To be fair, Toronto did try to trade Sundin - to Montreal of all teams - and only didn't because he vetoed.

Fun aside, I'd say this is a poor trade for the Leafs. Grabovski has been incredibly effective as a second line center and at this stage of Vinny's career. He simply is not worth his contract nor is he necessarily better than Grabovski, albeit that is my opinion. Can't see it as a good trade for those reasons. Meanwhile, Tampa's are obvious and outlined above.

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12-10-2012, 03:14 AM
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Lets say they trade Ashton+MacA+pick for a goalie that can be interpreted for who it is.
2013-2014
FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.000m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Tyler Biggs ($1.138m) / Tyler Bozak ($2.500m) / Matt Frattin ($0.925m)
Leo Komarov ($1.200m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Mike Brown ($0.737m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Carl Gunnarson ($3.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Morgan Rielly ($1.775m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Korbinian Holzer ($0.575m)
GOALTENDERS
Bobert Bongo ($5.333m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
BUYOUTS
Darcy Tucker ($1.000m) / Colby Armstrong ($1.000m) / Mike Komisarek ($2.167m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,568,106; BONUSES: $1,625,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $8,256,894
Pretty good contender imo.
This is a decent looking team, with great chance of making the playoffs, but this is not a contending team. This team is leaning too much on rookies like Kadri, Rielly and Biggs. You don't win a Stanley Cup with an average defence and a lack of depth. IMO.

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Lecavalier + Connolly for Grabovski + Colborne + 2nd
i wouldnt give connolly for that package

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This is a decent looking team, with great chance of making the playoffs, but this is not a contending team. This team is leaning too much on rookies like Kadri, Rielly and Biggs. You don't win a Stanley Cup with an average defence and a lack of depth. IMO.
A cup no however, it would be an excellent stepping stone to crafting a winning environment and getting those rookies some much needed playoff experience. The bottom six would be their undoing though. Unless Biggs and Frattin break out, they are likely to be shredded by elite teams. Still not a bad roster, just one with a little work. Bobert could do it all.

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What a shame it is that a hit from Matt Cooke changed Vinny from one of the top 5 players in the game to someone that would be in a trade proposal straight up for Grabovski.

Why is Cooke allowed to be in this league?

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i wouldnt give connolly for that package
He's that good?

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Tell me why Colborne is always in leaf's proposals
Because he a bust . I know Leaf fans will not like it ,but those same fan call Sam Gagner a bust who only a little older and has at least made it to the big show .

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What a shame it is that a hit from Matt Cooke changed Vinny from one of the top 5 players in the game to someone that would be in a trade proposal straight up for Grabovski.

Why is Cooke allowed to be in this league?
It is in our DNA , we try and give everyone second chance . Sometimes 2 or 3 extra after the second chance

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