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12-09-2012, 05:00 PM
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The exhibition games didn't count in the Soviet league standing either.
Surely you understand the importance the Russian teams put on those exhibition games. They were still behind the iron curtain. the soviets were coming over to showcase their superiority (what they were told anyways) over the NHL system, whose teams didn't have the type of control over it's players like the soviets did.

NHL teams were playing long seasons for a chance to play for the Stanley Cup. For the most part it was an exhibition to them. To draw too much inference on those results to the strength of the Soviet league at that time would be misleading to say the least.

You often post on soviet players surely you understand the difference?

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Surely you understand the importance the Russian teams put on those exhibition games. They were still behind the iron curtain. the soviets were coming over to showcase their superiority (what they were told anyways) over the NHL system, whose teams didn't have the type of control over it's players like the soviets did.

NHL teams were playing long seasons for a chance to play for the Stanley Cup. For the most part it was an exhibition to them. To draw too much inference on those results to the strength of the Soviet league at that time would be misleading to say the least.

You often post on soviet players surely you understand the difference?
I agree that the exact record of the Soviets shouldn't be taken at face value. It's one thing to play an exhibition game between two regular season games and another to fly abroad and play a series of exhibitions during a week-long break from the regular schedule. Had NHL teams visited the Soviet Union (like the Flames and Capitals did in September 1989) as often as the Soviets visited NA then I think the results would have been more telling. But you were suggesting - I guess unwittingly - that the exhibition games counted in the Soviet standing and that is really too much said.

BTW I'm not so sure the Soviets were told they were superior to the NHL. Superior in certain aspects yes, but superior in general? That's not the picture you get when reading what Soviet coaches and players had to say.

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Surely you understand the importance the Russian teams put on those exhibition games. They were still behind the iron curtain. the soviets were coming over to showcase their superiority (what they were told anyways) over the NHL system, whose teams didn't have the type of control over it's players like the soviets did.

NHL teams were playing long seasons for a chance to play for the Stanley Cup. For the most part it was an exhibition to them. To draw too much inference on those results to the strength of the Soviet league at that time would be misleading to say the least.

You often post on soviet players surely you understand the difference?
You dont think the NHL-teams felt like winning these games too, that they felt the need to put the soviets in their place? Why is it for sure that they did not go full throttle just becouse they were in the middle of a season? There are many "for sure's" in your posts here that i dont see as very sure at all.

Also, the soviets came over and played on small rinks which of course made it harder for them.

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Let their careers play out and then an accurate answer will be available.
Morozov will be 36 in February. There's not much career left to play out.

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Surely you understand the importance the Russian teams put on those exhibition games. They were still behind the iron curtain. the soviets were coming over to showcase their superiority (what they were told anyways) over the NHL system, whose teams didn't have the type of control over it's players like the soviets did.

NHL teams were playing long seasons for a chance to play for the Stanley Cup. For the most part it was an exhibition to them. To draw too much inference on those results to the strength of the Soviet league at that time would be misleading to say the least.

You often post on soviet players surely you understand the difference?
You make a good point that they are exhibition games so you probably had some guys dressing who wouldn't have otherwise. With the goalies particularly I could see how this would create a problem with taking the preseason records at face-value.

That said, the claim that Cold War tensions affected the authorities and players on just one side of these exhibitions seems pretty ludicrous.

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