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12-09-2012, 10:48 PM
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Let's use our brains and not our hearts.

Grabo is on a really bad team (Leafs). He's the second line centre.

If Grabo was on a really good team (contending), he would not be a second line centre.

If the Leafs (a really bad team) want to contend (stretch-goal), Grabovski can't be a second line center.

How's that for logic........
Maybe he's on the 2nd line so that we're not a 1 line team.

How's that for logic?

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12-09-2012, 10:49 PM
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The reason the Leafs are always so surprisingly bad is because fans fall in love with losers and crown them kings of the league.
The Leafs finished 29th in GA last year, I hope someone on our team could pad offensive stats.

BTW prepare yourself from the usual 4 or 5 suspects that see Grabo as the second coming, I recommend disclaimers.

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12-09-2012, 10:54 PM
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There's more to hockey than just scoring points.

For example, winning the hockey games.
If Grabo could win games by himself then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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12-09-2012, 10:54 PM
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You should stop pinging yourself in the head as it's compromising your reading comprehension skills. He clearly states that Grabo could be a top 6 forward, not just a top 6 center.
I didn't see the application for a board cop.

Glad to see my points are not debatable cuz they are 100% fact and correct.

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12-09-2012, 10:56 PM
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If Grabo could win games by himself then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Still clinging to that one, what do you suggest we trade Kessel first, build the team around a one dimensional puck hog that wouldn't know a playoff game if it hit him square in the head?

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12-09-2012, 10:57 PM
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The reason the Leafs are always so surprisingly bad is because fans fall in love with losers and crown them kings of the league.
Because we control who stays and goes? If I had known that sooner I would've charged MLSE to go to their games.

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12-09-2012, 10:59 PM
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I didn't see the application for a board cop.

Glad to see my points are not debatable cuz they are 100% fact and correct.
How so? You still haven't proven anything, you're just ranting, kind of like a false prophet.

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Still clinging to that one, what do you suggest we trade Kessel first, build the team around a one dimensional puck hog that wouldn't know a playoff game if it hit him square in the head?
You've lost me...

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12-09-2012, 11:00 PM
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How so? You still haven't proven anything, you're just ranting, kind of like a false prophet.
I have proven more with stats and facts than the "what if" scenarios your side espouses to.

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12-09-2012, 11:05 PM
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You've lost me...
No surprise there, Kopitar didn't win a cup before the Richards trade, he couldn't do it without the support he got from Richards last year.

Now unless we are building a team around Grabo, maybe we better get better support for Kessel.

As proven by my list of Stanley Cup winning team's centers. Grabo doesn't make the grade. So yes I have proven this one of my many points is indeed factually true.

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12-09-2012, 11:05 PM
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I have proven more with stats and facts than the "what if" scenarios your side espouses to.
And when asked to provide proof, you run away like a dog with his tail between his legs. Still waiting.

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12-09-2012, 11:08 PM
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And when asked to provide proof, you run away like a dog with his tail between his legs. Still waiting.
Better pack a lunch

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12-09-2012, 11:11 PM
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Better pack a lunch
No kidding.

I'm not actually waiting though. I know any proof doesn't exist, because he is just spewing unsubstantiated hate. It is kind of fun to see him scramble to keep up with his lies though.

If only we had hockey... then we wouldn't have to amuse ourselves with the trolls.

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12-09-2012, 11:12 PM
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Maybe he's on the 2nd line so that we're not a 1 line team.

How's that for logic?
That's not the reason. It's that if he was up there, he would be another shoot 1st center. Which equals bad chemistry.

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12-09-2012, 11:13 PM
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Maybe he's on the 2nd line so that we're not a 1 line team.

How's that for logic?
No. Kessel and Grabo don't gel together.

I've heard Kessel being called elite before. If Grabovski was so good he would be able to play with elite players.

After all, playoff teams and contending teams have many elite players. If Grabo finds it so hard to crack the first line center position on a terrible team like the Leafs, there's no chance he could do it on good teams.

In fact, the only real place Grabo has in a top six centre role is on non-playoff teams.

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12-09-2012, 11:14 PM
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That's not the reason. It's that if he was up there, he would be another shoot 1st center. Which equals bad chemistry.
Not necessarily bad chemistry. Shoot-first players can have chemistry with each other. Just not a good utilization of skill distribution for a team.

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Proved it again, but ignored again. BTW I am still here, so you jksilverstix are wrong again, and Grabo is still a #2C barely better if he is even better than Bozak on a 25th place team.

Keep ignoring this, but this is the standard of top 2 centers on recent cup winners.

Nothing made up but cool hard facts, the standard for teams wanting to win a cup. Absolutely proven. Keep ignoring the fact Grabo is not equal to any, nevermind better than any on the list. It's proof better than maybe or what if the enabler's try to pass on to the gullable 5 here.

Kopitar 76pts
Mike Richards 44pts missed 8 games 15pts playoffs
Krejci 62pts missed 7 games 23pts playoffs
Bergeron 57pts 20pts playoffs
Sharp 66pts 22pts Playoffs
Toews 68pts 29pts Playoffs+Cup
Malkin 113pts 36pts playoffs
Malkin 106
Zetterberg 92
Datsyuk 97pts
Getzlaf 58pts 17pts (team high in playoffs) playoffs+Cup
Mcdonald 78pts
Brind'Amour 70pts
Staal 100 pts

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12-09-2012, 11:15 PM
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No surprise there, Kopitar didn't win a cup before the Richards trade, he couldn't do it without the support he got from Richards last year.

Now unless we are building a team around Grabo, maybe we better get better support for Kessel.

As proven by my list of Stanley Cup winning team's centers. Grabo doesn't make the grade. So yes I have proven this one of my many points is indeed factually true.
I meant you lost me cause you clearly misunderstood my point.

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12-09-2012, 11:15 PM
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No. Kessel and Grabo don't gel together.

I've heard Kessel being called elite before. If Grabovski was so good he would be able to play with elite players.

After all, playoff teams and contending teams have many elite players. If Grabo finds it so hard to crack the first line center position on a terrible team like the Leafs, there's no chance he could do it on good teams.

In fact, the only real place Grabo has in a top six centre role is on non-playoff teams.
I would like to see you prove that Kessel and Grabovski don't gel together.

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12-09-2012, 11:16 PM
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I would like to see you prove that Kessel and Grabovski don't gel together.
Every time they have played together.

I would like to see you prove you even watch the Leafs.

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12-09-2012, 11:18 PM
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Proved it again, but ignored again. BTW I am still here, so you jksilverstix are wrong again, and Grabo is still a #2C barely better if he is even better than Bozak on a 25th place team.

Keep ignoring this, but this is the standard of top 2 centers on recent cup winners.

Nothing made up but cool hard facts, the standard for teams wanting to win a cup. Absolutely proven. Keep ignoring the fact Grabo is not equal to any, nevermind better than any on the list. It's proof better than maybe or what if the enabler's try to pass on to the gullable 5 here.

Kopitar 76pts
Mike Richards 44pts missed 8 games 15pts playoffs
Krejci 62pts missed 7 games 23pts playoffs
Bergeron 57pts 20pts playoffs
Sharp 66pts 22pts Playoffs
Toews 68pts 29pts Playoffs+Cup
Malkin 113pts 36pts playoffs
Malkin 106
Zetterberg 92
Datsyuk 97pts
Getzlaf 58pts 17pts (team high in playoffs) playoffs+Cup
Mcdonald 78pts
Brind'Amour 70pts
Staal 100 pts
Okay so here are the hard facts.

Stanley Cup Champions and the centres they had.

Kind of goes to show you that you need more than a small-ish defensively unreliable second line centre to win in this league. Actually you need the opposite of that, plus elite offensive talent.

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12-09-2012, 11:18 PM
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No. Kessel and Grabo don't gel together.

I've heard Kessel being called elite before. If Grabovski was so good he would be able to play with elite players.

After all, playoff teams and contending teams have many elite players. If Grabo finds it so hard to crack the first line center position on a terrible team like the Leafs, there's no chance he could do it on good teams.

In fact, the only real place Grabo has in a top six centre role is on non-playoff teams.
Most teams don't put all their best players on 1 line, it makes no sense.

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12-09-2012, 11:18 PM
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Proved it again, but ignored again. BTW I am still here, so you jksilverstix are wrong again, and Grabo is still a #2C barely better than Bozak on a 25th place team.

Keep ignoring this, but this is the standard of top 2 centers on recent cup winners.

Nothing made up but cool hard facts, the standard for teams wanting to win a cup. Absolutely proven. Keep ignoring the fact Grabo is not equal to any, nevermind better than any on the list. It's proof better than maybe or what if the enabler's try to pass on to the gullable 5 here.

Kopitar 76pts
Mike Richards 44pts missed 8 games 15pts playoffs
Krejci 62pts missed 7 games 23pts playoffs
Bergeron 57pts 20pts playoffs
Sharp 66pts 22pts Playoffs
Toews 68pts 29pts Playoffs+Cup
Malkin 113pts 36pts playoffs
Malkin 106
Zetterberg 92
Datsyuk 97pts
Getzlaf 58pts 17pts (team high in playoffs) playoffs+Cup
Mcdonald 78pts
Brind'Amour 70pts
Staal 100 pts
That is just a list of players.

That is not an argument that Grabovski does not equal or surpass individuals on this list.
That is not an argument that Grabovski is not a top-6 forward.

Still waiting, so yes, you are still dodging the question.


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12-09-2012, 11:19 PM
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Every time they have played together.

I would like to see you prove you even watch the Leafs.
I hope you realize that whenever they've managed to be on the ice at the same time they've created great scoring chances and even a great goal last year.

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