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12-09-2012, 10:36 PM
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Keep in mind though the Rays have one the best pitching coaches in the MLB. He's had success with other underachieving guys in the past and Montgomery isn't some jobber, but actually talented.
He hasn't pitched well for two years...

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12-09-2012, 10:40 PM
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He hasn't pitched well for two years...
I see him as a lottery ticket. Some chance they turn him into a bullpen arm, slim chance you get a dominant reliever or maybe even a starter. Great to get a high ceiling like that as the third player in a deal that I personally would have done just for Myers and Odorizzi.

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Ouch just looked at Montgomery's stats. He really doesn't like missing the bats does he? Big ERA over the past 2 years and h/9 over 10. Jesus they got a lotta work to do

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12-09-2012, 10:45 PM
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Ouch just looked at Montgomery's stats. He really doesn't like missing the bats does he? Big ERA over the past 2 years and h/9 over 10. Jesus they got a lotta work to do
He doesn't really like throwing strikes either.

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12-09-2012, 10:46 PM
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I see him as a lottery ticket. Some chance they turn him into a bullpen arm, slim chance you get a dominant reliever or maybe even a starter. Great to get a high ceiling like that as the third player in a deal that I personally would have done just for Myers and Odorizzi.
This is how I see it too. If any team can get the best out of a guy like Montgomery it is the Rays. Consider some of their other projects that have turned out, getting a former top-prospect might not be a bad idea.

Getting a guy like that in addition to a top-5 prospect and a top-50 prospect is even better.

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Tampa is so awesome, us fans need to start a pot to get them to a legit location. Although, imagine them with cash...

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12-09-2012, 10:51 PM
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#Rays STILL have seven starters to choose from: Price, Hellickson, Moore, Niemann, Odorizzi, Cobb, Archer.

Just a brilliant franchise.
It all started with Friedman being promoted in 05. The upward trend started and since the 08 WS they haven't looked back.


By the way, is Myers gonna be their opening day RF?

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I can't believe how much worse the trade got for KC since the last time I checked this thread. Trading Myers is bad enough, but Odorizzi too? Unreal. Talk about a contrast in the intelligence of the two GMs involved.

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Royals should have gotten more, but they also weren't doing a whole lot with their farm system the last ten years, either. Maybe the Royals are hoping to make a few other moves and this will fall in line.

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So where does the Royal's rotation rank in the Al Central? Where do they rank in the Al Central?

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Left field then?

Or you think they'll start him at AAA for a few weeks to gain another year of service time?

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So where does the Royal's rotation rank in the Al Central? Where do they rank in the Al Central?
At best, the answer to both questions is third. This trade might not be so bad if it were putting the Royals over the top, but instead it's making a 72-win team into, what, a 77-win team? I guess if Perez stays healthy all year and Hosmer actually plays to his potential, that total could get into the low 80s - which obviously still wouldn't be good enough. Thus, all the Royals have done is subtract their best farm pieces for the sake of going from bad to less bad or, best-case scenario, mediocre. I feel sorry for Royals fans.

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12-10-2012, 12:27 AM
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@JeffPassan Myers for Shields not only straight-up deal Royals tried. Offered Myers to A's for Brett Anderson & were turned down too
Dayton Moore probably shouldn't be in charge of a major league team.

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Left field then?

Or you think they'll start him at AAA for a few weeks to gain another year of service time?
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None of the three advanced prospects are guaranteed to be on the opening day roster, but Friedman said he would expect all to contribute during the season.
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseb...cle1265449.ece

The Rays are still weak at DH and catcher, and they may still be looking for someone with positional versatility who can also spell Loney at 1B and provide some power from the right side. Nothing would shock me as far as the Rays opening day roster is concerned, but at this point I'm not really expecting Myers to be a regular from the beginning.

Shields and Davis were two of the Rays' most appealing pieces, so the team might be shifting towards the free agency route now that they've dealt those assets and saved a good amount of money in the process.

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12-10-2012, 02:16 AM
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Kansas City needed pitching badly...but this is a massive risk

And one, if it doesn't pan out, should get their GM fired

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Kansas City needed pitching badly...but this is a massive risk

And one, if it doesn't pan out, should get their GM fired
Well, Cabrera for Sanchez sure didnt get him fired

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Tampa is so awesome, us fans need to start a pot to get them to a legit location. Although, imagine them with cash...
This fact that they are strapped for cash is likely why they are so good. Darwinism at its finest.

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Kansas City needed pitching badly...but this is a massive risk
Well, they just get top 15 pitcher and good #4-5 guy in Davis for unproven prospects. It's not end of the world. Montgomery screams mediocrity. Shields in division with White Sox, Indians and Twins... could be a Cy Young candidate.

Win-win here.

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Well, they just get top 15 pitcher and good #4-5 guy in Davis for unproven prospects. It's not end of the world. Montgomery screams mediocrity. Shields in division with White Sox, Indians and Twins... could be a Cy Young candidate.

Win-win here.
And lets not forget that as unlikely as it is Myers could still not become what he projects to become. We have all seen it time and time again.

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Montgomery is a former top prospect but he's fallen off a cliff.

Oddorizzi is a good pitcher. Middle of the rotation upside and close to major league ready.
So the perfect little risk/big reward project the Rays are known for? Sign me up!

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Dumb move by the Royals. Shields is already 30 and I doubt he even resigns. Davis on the other hand isn't even that great.

Rays are gonna be stacked if Myers pans out to what he's projected to be.

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I knew this day would come but it still sucks to lose Shields. He was a gamer and gave it his all every time he went out, I have a lot of respect for him. Hope he does well for KC. The Rays really maximized his value with the package they got back. If Myers develops into the player he's supposed to he'll compliment Longoria in the middle of the lineup.

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So the perfect little risk/big reward project the Rays are known for? Sign me up!
I think Stetson Allie has more of a probability of panning out than Montgomery.

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