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12-09-2012, 12:50 PM
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Halifax should still be a pretty good team next season. Will be interesting to see if Drouin can carry the team on his own with no MacKinnon, Frk, or Fournier.

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12-09-2012, 12:52 PM
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You might be thinking a little too far ahead, but you do make a valid point. Too bad he couldn't get traded to the whl or ohl.
Huberdeau was and still is a awesome prospect and they prefer to let him another year in the QJMHL. It's not that bad. It's hard to draft such a prospect and not have him right away in your line up, but sometime it's better for everyone.

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12-09-2012, 01:01 PM
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I think it all depends on where he gets drafted.... with a pending lockout and not knowing what the season or draft will be as of now, its tough to speculate his future...

but if there is a season and he gets drafted by a team such as Toronto, Columbus, NYI, whomever... I would guess he easily goes back to Halifax....

but if there isn't a season and the draft lottery has one team get very lucky in the ping pong ball selection and a team that is in playoff contention that needs winger help, could let him play his rookie year in the NHL (pending he proves worthy in camp).

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12-09-2012, 01:16 PM
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Playing in Halifax next season without MacKinnon would be a good test for him, I would think.
This is a good point. Even simply matching his current output next season would have to be seen as a big step, if he is sans MacKinnon. Especially if he spends most of his effort rounding out his game.

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12-09-2012, 01:21 PM
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Your overall point is a good one. But the bolded above are ridiculous exaggerations. Is he a physical force, future Selke nominee? No. But he's not a liability either. The hyperbole thrown around this place is nuts sometimes.
Like I said, I've only seen him a few times. That said, I was not exaggerating. He most often parked on his own blueline, watched his teammates backcheck and waited for a pass. Now, in the neutral zone he was excellent. Great at picking pockets and intercepting passes. The instincts and ability are there. I have zero concerns that he will fail to improve in these areas and end up the next Nikita Filatov. He's already got what it takes, in my opinion. It just needsto become a higher priority, is all.

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I think it all depends on where he gets drafted.... with a pending lockout and not knowing what the season or draft will be as of now, its tough to speculate his future...

but if there is a season and he gets drafted by a team such as Toronto, Columbus, NYI, whomever... I would guess he easily goes back to Halifax....

but if there isn't a season and the draft lottery has one team get very lucky in the ping pong ball selection and a team that is in playoff contention that needs winger help, could let him play his rookie year in the NHL (pending he proves worthy in camp).
Imagine Drouin in Pittsburg. Him and Sid would be disgusting!

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12-09-2012, 01:27 PM
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Agreed, it will be key for him to do so or any organization, so he doesn't get hindered. Another player who had a similar path but didn't end up well even a torrid start would be Derrick Brassard, insane skill but was put into the bigs too early IMO and got him bad.
I actually think Brassard's issue was injuries. He had one in his last year of Junior which probably stunted his development a little. But it was in his second pro year that he sustained that injury after starting out so strong. He was never really the same since then.

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Imagine Drouin in Pittsburg. Him and Sid would be disgusting!

I hope not... I can't stand how lucky (cough - cough) Pitts has been with lottery drafts already.

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12-09-2012, 01:52 PM
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This prospect scares me from the game clips I've watched. His hands and skills are freakishly good, god-given, top 1% of all players I'm almost certain, but is he an enigma waiting to happen?

Kane never really touched defense much in London either though, I get the same sense from Drouin that he just wants to quietly embarass everyone on the ice with his skills like Kane did and does. Kane loved scoring goals though and still does you can see it on his face and his celebrations after he snipes one and man is he a good sniper, Drouin almost seems like he just wants to show how skilled he is sometimes in a Kovalev-type sort of way. It's a hockey-as-art sort of thing with these guys, I don't know though. He could be the next Kane or he could be a Kovalev/Ribeiro/Tanguay waiting to happen. Neither of which are necessarily bad to spend a top-ten pick on anyways.

We will see how he progresses, especially in this camp coming up and playoffs. I will be looking for the same competitive fire that Kane/Giroux/Perron have as guys with 1% hands that bring a competitiveness and pure battle to win when games are on the line. These guys have the hands and vision and crave those moments. I want to see that from Drouin, there is lots of time to show it still.


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He needs to be developed the same way as Giroux. Too bad he won't be drafted 22nd but top 5 and that team might be desperate enough to rush him in the NHL like what Columbus did with Brassard.

I thought it was that James Neal fight that really got him

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12-09-2012, 03:04 PM
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Playing in Halifax next season without MacKinnon would be a good test for him, I would think.
Yup, definitely. Since the main thing holding him back seems to be physical conditioning, he needs a year for that anyway. As has already been mentioned, there are plenty of other challenges that could be thrown his way; like playing centre, anchoring special teams, and taking on one of the higher leadership roles (doesn't wear a letter in Halifax) that will be vacant with the leaving of Fournier, Andrews, etc.

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We will see where he's at next year..

He will need to get stronger... But I'm not too worried.

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I hope not... I can't stand how lucky (cough - cough) Pitts has been with lottery drafts already.
Like that time they won the draft lottery after finishing dead last the season before the lockout but not getting the #1 pick due to the lottery winning Capitals who picked Ovechkin?

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Like that time they won the draft lottery after finishing dead last the season before the lockout but not getting the #1 pick due to the lottery winning Capitals who picked Ovechkin?
SUCH A POOR EXAMPLE!!!!!!!

They move down one spot to #2 and landed an equally if not MORE TALENTED player in Malkin.

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Drouin is a smart enough kid that knows what it will take for him to be successful at the next level. The team that drafts him will be direct with what they want him to improve on when he's returned to junior next season.

Not having MacKinnon there with him, he will take on more leadership and likely be moved back to his natural center position where he will have added defensive responsibilities.

This kid is going to be a steal likely with the #4 or #5 selection. He could be the next Giroux, St. Louis or Whitney.

I sure hope the JETS have an opportunity to draft him outside of winning the lottery and picking MacKinnon.

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Drouin is a smart enough kid that knows what it will take for him to be successful at the next level. The team that drafts him will be direct with what they want him to improve on when he's returned to junior next season.

Not having MacKinnon there with him, he will take on more leadership and likely be moved back to his natural center position where he will have added defensive responsibilities.

This kid is going to be a steal likely with the #4 or #5 selection. He could be the next Giroux, St. Louis or Whitney.

I sure hope the JETS have an opportunity to draft him outside of winning the lottery and picking MacKinnon.
I see a new era Whitney, which essentially is Patrick Kane. I'm not sure he has the speed of Kane. He will feast on weak opponents.

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I think it all depends on where he gets drafted.... with a pending lockout and not knowing what the season or draft will be as of now, its tough to speculate his future...

but if there is a season and he gets drafted by a team such as Toronto, Columbus, NYI, whomever... I would guess he easily goes back to Halifax....

but if there isn't a season and the draft lottery has one team get very lucky in the ping pong ball selection and a team that is in playoff contention that needs winger help, could let him play his rookie year in the NHL (pending he proves worthy in camp).
I could see that, if he gets drafted by a team like Anaheim he could slip in beside perry and getzlaf

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Here's my one little concern about this kid; he's too good for the QMJHL but might bot be ready for the NHL. So where does he play next season? Three points a game in the QMJHL doesn't do him, or anybody else any good. 4th liner and PP specialist on an NHL team that has to shelter his minutes because he's very small, and his defensive game needs a ton of work? That doesn't seem like a fantastic fit, either. When I've watched this kid he's shown that there is absolutely no doubt about his amazing talent and incredible upside. That said, he cherry picks like crazy, avoids corners like the plague and is a pure spectator in his own zone. You aren't going to find too many NHL head coaches who are going to deal with that. He's got some work to do in refining his overall game, but I'm not so sure that either the NHL or the QMJHL is the place to do it.

I'm probably just reading too much into the few games I've seen.
Didn't seem to slow Sid down. As long as Drouin works on rounding out his game and doesn't get complacent, I don't see any problems.

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Here's my one little concern about this kid; he's too good for the QMJHL but might bot be ready for the NHL. So where does he play next season? Three points a game in the QMJHL doesn't do him, or anybody else any good. 4th liner and PP specialist on an NHL team that has to shelter his minutes because he's very small, and his defensive game needs a ton of work? That doesn't seem like a fantastic fit, either. When I've watched this kid he's shown that there is absolutely no doubt about his amazing talent and incredible upside. That said, he cherry picks like crazy, avoids corners like the plague and is a pure spectator in his own zone. You aren't going to find too many NHL head coaches who are going to deal with that. He's got some work to do in refining his overall game, but I'm not so sure that either the NHL or the QMJHL is the place to do it.

I'm probably just reading too much into the few games I've seen.
I'm sorry but have you seen this kid play at all??? His work in the corners is one of his biggest strengths. Not to mention that many of the games iv gone to this year he is use as a top line penalty killer (one of the top defensive teams in the league). The coach must be really is worried about him when he is willing to put him out in the last minute of the game defending a lead.

I think some people seem to forget this kid has been in the league for under 1 year.

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I'm sorry but have you seen this kid play at all??? His work in the corners is one of his biggest strengths. Not to mention that many of the games iv gone to this year he is use as a top line penalty killer (one of the top defensive teams in the league). The coach must be really is worried about him when he is willing to put him out in the last minute of the game defending a lead.

I think some people seem to forget this kid has been in the league for under 1 year.
This is mainly because he and MacKinnon can retain puck control for the majority of the kill often times.

He is by no means a great defensive player imo. I wouldn't call him a spectator but it is a big weakness in his game relative to the rest.

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I'm sorry but have you seen this kid play at all??? His work in the corners is one of his biggest strengths. Not to mention that many of the games iv gone to this year he is use as a top line penalty killer (one of the top defensive teams in the league). The coach must be really is worried about him when he is willing to put him out in the last minute of the game defending a lead.

I think some people seem to forget this kid has been in the league for under 1 year.
For those wondering if this guy made a mistake or not, it's true actually. MacKinnon and Drouin have been used together quite a bit recently on the penalty kill unit, which is maintaining an 80% success rate (top third of the league) on top of their almost 30% powerplay.

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PK'ing isn't about defense, it's about quickness, anticipation and fast hands. Henrique is a terrific PK'er while a below average defensive center.

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Give Drouin 40% OZone faceoffs and play him against top competition and I doubt he has much more then 2 PPG. Scenarios often determine how hard JR is.

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I'm interested to see how Drouin does at U20 camp, starting tomorrow, against the top U20s in the country. This season I've seen him against crap teams where he played half-heartedly and last season I was so focused on MacKinnon, which I'm now regretting. I figured I'd see more Halfiax games this season to see more Drouin

Kinda hoping Drouin gets cut, I'll be at the Halfiax/Moncton game in early January and would like to see him without MacKinnon.

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I'm interested to see how Drouin does at U20 camp, starting tomorrow, against the top U20s in the country. This season I've seen him against crap teams where he played half-heartedly and last season I was so focused on MacKinnon, which I'm now regretting. I figured I'd see more Halfiax games this season to see more Drouin

Kinda hoping Drouin gets cut, I'll be at the Halfiax/Moncton game in early January and would like to see him without MacKinnon.
so you wanna see him without Mack for selfish reasons

I`d like to see him with a Canadian Leaf on his jersey, but not sure with Hockey Canada, with every country, there`s decisions that leave the fan bases shaking their heads

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