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12-10-2012, 09:26 AM
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He won't get better guys, Jack Parker has said that already. No one ever gets better in Junior

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12-10-2012, 09:40 AM
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He won't get better guys, Jack Parker has said that already. No one ever gets better in Junior
Yep it's amazing how bad Charlie Coyle and Jamie Oleksiak are now.

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12-10-2012, 10:02 AM
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He won't get better guys, Jack Parker has said that already. No one ever gets better in Junior
I'm kind of surprised such a lame post is coming from you. You're generally a pretty level-headed poster. I guess what much of this thread really demonstrates is a lack of understanding by many posters-in particular Canadians-of the the differances between the CHL and NCAA (especially top-tier programs).

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if he did well you'd say that, if he did bad you'd say "Look he's bad"...

Do you wanna compare which league produces better pro's, NCAA or CHL?
What does it say about the quality of competition when a guy like Cisse does absolutely nothing with BU even though he was given every opportunity to succeed and then goes and immediately produces in the QMJHL? As for your last sentence, there's no doubt that the CHL produces more pros-that isn't being debated here.

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I'm kind of surprised such a lame post is coming from you. You're generally a pretty level-headed poster. I guess what much of this thread really demonstrates is a lack of understanding by many posters-in particular Canadians-of the the differances between the CHL and NCAA (especially top-tier programs).
Don't like Jack Parker not at all. I used to think sterotypes of College coaches were just from the movies but apparently not. This is one coach that his bosses need to look at. Winning shouldn't be the end all and be all. That program has major problems and it starts with the coach

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12-10-2012, 10:11 AM
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Don't like Jack Parker not at all. I used to think sterotypes of College coaches were just from the movies but apparently not. This is one coach that his bosses need to look at. Winning shouldn't be the end all and be all. That program has major problems and it starts with the coach
I'm not going to sit here and say Jack Parker is the be all/end all. I think his coaching record speaks for itself, but there is no doubt a culture exists in college hockey that is unsavory in a lot of ways. That said, I still think his assessment of Cisse and the issues surrounding an older NCAA jumping ship to the CHL have merit.

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12-10-2012, 10:43 AM
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What does it say about the quality of competition when a guy like Cisse does absolutely nothing with BU even though he was given every opportunity to succeed and then goes and immediately produces in the QMJHL? As for your last sentence, there's no doubt that the CHL produces more pros-that isn't being debated here.
He played 40 NCAA games over 3 seasons... Giving a player first line ice time in 6 games then benching him doesn't mean "giving a player every opportunity to succeed."

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What does it say about the quality of competition when a guy like Cisse does absolutely nothing with BU even though he was given every opportunity to succeed and then goes and immediately produces in the QMJHL? As for your last sentence, there's no doubt that the CHL produces more pros-that isn't being debated here.
Well sure, he plays against younger competition now but he hasn't been able to properly develop these last couple years due to injuries. God forbid the guy comes to the CHL and gets a confidence boost which could be a huge difference maker in his development.

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if he did well you'd say that, if he did bad you'd say "Look he's bad"...

Do you wanna compare which league produces better pro's, NCAA or CHL?
This sums up what I would of said.

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What does it say about the quality of competition when a guy like Cisse does absolutely nothing with BU even though he was given every opportunity to succeed and then goes and immediately produces in the QMJHL? As for your last sentence, there's no doubt that the CHL produces more pros-that isn't being debated here.
I would like to add in that the Q is much more offense oriented..

Cisse is also now playing in front of his friends and family !

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12-10-2012, 11:56 AM
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Yep it's amazing how bad Charlie Coyle and Jamie Oleksiak are now.
He's no Charlie Coyle. Not even close.

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I'm not going to sit here and say Jack Parker is the be all/end all. I think his coaching record speaks for itself, but there is no doubt a culture exists in college hockey that is unsavory in a lot of ways. That said, I still think his assessment of Cisse and the issues surrounding an older NCAA jumping ship to the CHL have merit.
They do and they don't. I guess they could have merits if he wasn't leaving a program that has had so many black eyes lately.

Going to the Q doesn't really hurt a guy who maybe wasn't getting his due. Either way he was going to get signed by the Jets next year anyway so instead of playing 6 minutes a game he plays a ton of hockey in a league that is very good at creating pro players.

The point is though it doesn't really matter if he stayed or not. He wasn't happy so he left.

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12-10-2012, 12:03 PM
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if he did well you'd say that, if he did bad you'd say "Look he's bad"...

Do you wanna compare which league produces better pro's, NCAA or CHL?
You're right, if he didn't produce as a 20 year old against 16 & 17 year olds then it would look very bad for him.
I'm not trying to compare the merits of both leagues. Just saying that a 20 year old playing NCAA is a much tougher go than a 20 year old playing in the CHL. One's a mens league an the others a boys league.

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You're right, if he didn't produce as a 20 year old against 16 & 17 year olds then it would look very bad for him.
I'm not trying to compare the merits of both leagues. Just saying that a 20 year old playing NCAA is a much tougher go than a 20 year old playing in the CHL. One's a mens league an the others a boys league.
And one produces more players then the other....

What's your point ?

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And one produces more players then the other....

What's your point ?
an interesting study would be to see how many guys who jump from NCAA to CHL end up as good pros.

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12-10-2012, 12:53 PM
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an interesting study would be to see how many guys who jump from NCAA to CHL end up as good pros.
What does it matter?

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Does it really matter which league has stronger competition? He got out of a bad situation at BU and will get more opportunities with his new team.

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What does it matter?
just be interesting to see.

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just be interesting to see.
The ones who do generally do..

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And one produces more players then the other....

What's your point ?
I think that co-insides with the percentage of Canadians in the NHL versus the percentage of Americans in the NHL. But Americans are gaining ground where Candadians are losing ground.

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just be interesting to see.
I'd like to see it as well tbh

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He's no Charlie Coyle. Not even close.
I said Yasin Cisse = Charlie Coyle. You got me!

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I think that co-insides with the percentage of Canadians in the NHL versus the percentage of Americans in the NHL. But Americans are gaining ground where Candadians are losing ground.
Maybe... But quite a few players come through the CHL.

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Obviously the Q is a lower competition (not due to the lack of skill but just younger depth, etc), so obviously he's going to do better as an over-ager in junior...

On the other hand, he's lost a lot of man games, so maybe this can turn his career around...

Who knows... only time will tell. IMHO, I think next year will be the test when he tries for pro and this may or may not help him get ready for that.


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They do and they don't. I guess they could have merits if he wasn't leaving a program that has had so many black eyes lately.

Going to the Q doesn't really hurt a guy who maybe wasn't getting his due. Either way he was going to get signed by the Jets next year anyway so instead of playing 6 minutes a game he plays a ton of hockey in a league that is very good at creating pro players.

The point is though it doesn't really matter if he stayed or not. He wasn't happy so he left.
Is my sarcasm detector broken? Right now it's highly unlikely Cisse gets an NHL contract.

With this move to CHL, under the 05 CBA the Jets would retain his rights until June 1, 2014. So they will get a free year to see what he can do in pro hockey before having to make a decision on him. I would imagine St. John's signs him and sees how he does, but right now he seems more like an ECHL candidate...

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Is my sarcasm detector broken? Right now it's highly unlikely Cisse gets an NHL contract.

With this move to CHL, under the 05 CBA the Jets would retain his rights until June 1, 2014. So they will get a free year to see what he can do in pro hockey before having to make a decision on him. I would imagine St. John's signs him and sees how he does, but right now he seems more like an ECHL candidate...
What if he finishes the Q season with 60 points in 30 games

Too early to argue about where he'll be next year.

Going to Blainville this season is going to help him big time though. He's played 40 games in 3 seasons but he'll likely play that many the rest of this season with Blainville, barring injury. Q definitely gives you more of a pro-like experience and Cisse could definitely using that going forward if he's to turn his career around.

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