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12-06-2012, 08:07 AM
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I guess I'll go against the grain here and say Go Canada.

That said I do find it a little embarassing how much Canada and TSN in particular overhypes this tourney.

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12-06-2012, 08:47 AM
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There won't be more than 2 17 years old forwards, you can pretty much take that to the bank. I would say Mckinnon + someone else. Drouin has a net advantage because he's LW and has chemistry with Nathan, but Monahan could slip in, particularly if RNH ends up not coming. Shinkaruk, just don't see it happening at all. Ty Rattie is a lock and the best RW, we need his goals.
Well that's the lineup I'd have not necessarily what they will have.

Shinkaruk and Monahan are 18 now, they are in their 3rd junior year. Monahan in particular has additional appeal since he can slot in the bottom 6/#13 forward with little issue.

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I guess I'll go against the grain here and say Go Canada.

That said I do find it a little embarassing how much Canada and TSN in particular overhypes this tourney.
A lot of us here overhype it too. It's not the tournament itself that I am excited about, but it's more about watching all the prospects - both under the Habs organization, as well as the 2013 draft eligible prospects. In terms of countries, obviously I'm happy when Germany wins, IF they win, but I cheer individual players on each team more.

For some others, who don't get to watch prospects like Galchenyuk, this tournament opens that up and allows to see their game, albeit a small sample size.

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A lot of us here overhype it too. It's not the tournament itself that I am excited about, but it's more about watching all the prospects - both under the Habs organization, as well as the 2013 draft eligible prospects. In terms of countries, obviously I'm happy when Germany wins, IF they win, but I cheer individual players on each team more.

For some others, who don't get to watch prospects like Galchenyuk, this tournament opens that up and allows to see their game, albeit a small sample size.
It's also a lot of fun to watch, it's pretty good hockey, back and forth games.

Yes they hype the tournament a lot, but it's one of the biggest hockey event there is.

On RDS only, they get about a million of people who watch Canadian games. That's mostly one province.

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12-06-2012, 11:54 AM
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It's also a lot of fun to watch, it's pretty good hockey, back and forth games.

Yes they hype the tournament a lot, but it's one of the biggest hockey event there is.

On RDS only, they get about a million of people who watch Canadian games. That's mostly one province.
That's an understatement. The games may be hyped, but they generally deliver. It's not an exaggeration to say that, in a typical (non-lockout) season, the WJC features some of the best hockey you'll see all year.

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12-06-2012, 01:22 PM
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Well that's the lineup I'd have not necessarily what they will have.

Shinkaruk and Monahan are 18 now, they are in their 3rd junior year. Monahan in particular has additional appeal since he can slot in the bottom 6/#13 forward with little issue.
Agreed, the fight will be with Catenacci.

They are 18, but they are not close to 19 or even 20.(Depending on birthrates) I'm thinking that both might still be in the CHL next year, outside chance Monahan will make his NHL team.

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12-08-2012, 06:33 AM
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Actually he did mention them. He had the four forward returnees (Strome, Huberdeau, Scheifele, Jenner) plus RNH, and the three I mentioned as his locks. Which means, if you take Bob's word as law, there's only 4 forward spots left open...to be divided amongst MacKinnon, Drouin, McNeill, Monahan, Ritchie, Rattie, Shinkaruk, Graovac and Lipon. That's a lot of talent you're leaving out just because you've already locked in your grinders.

I don't know, to me, it seems like a backwards approach. Especially since many of the offensive guys also take regular shifts on the P.K. for their junior teams.
You are correct. At this level, I'd throw Mac out there on PK and 3rd line way before I throw Hudon out there. Not even close.

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12-08-2012, 06:37 AM
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Well who out those players can play all 3 fwd positions like Danault and be effective in shutdown role or goon it like Wilson while providing offense/leadership (he had a pretty killer start to season in OHL offensively). IMO, they seem pretty ideal for the grinder/shutdown/leadership type role.

Offensive guys can take regular shifts on PKs but not all offensive guys can go from go to player to playing in a limited role and be effective. I don't see any issues with them being considered locks since those two should in theory slot in perfectly in the role.

I hate to say it but if it were up to me Hudon wouldn't be a lock yet. I'd add 4 top '13 draft guy Shinkaruk, MacKinnon, Drouin, Monahan. With the last pick I'll have to see who fits in best as a 3rd liner type and someone all round or specialist as 13th forward

Huberdeau - RNH - Scheifele
Drouin - Strome - MacKinnon
Shinkaruk - Jenner - [?]
Wilson - Danault - Monahan
[?]

Hudon I can certainly see fit in as a #13 or 3rd liner.
This is junior hockey. Don't over think. Throw the talent out there. If they need to play D, they'll be better at it than the grinders at their level anyway.

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This is junior hockey. Don't over think. Throw the talent out there. If they need to play D, they'll be better at it than the grinders at their level anyway.
Thats it, with the amount of talent we have, having a 3rd and 4th defensive is juste a waste, poor guyz like Drouin, Shinkaruk, Mcdavid(young I know, but such a beast) end up staying home watching the games on TV instead of dangling the **** out of the other teams and helping TC keep puck possession = good way to defend

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I generally avoid rooting for any one country. I root for the Habs players to do well, and I'll root for the teams that have them versus those who don't. I usually have a bit of a soft spot for Finland, so we'll just have to draft Barkov.
Same here don't care who wins, I want to see how our prospect stacks up. The only reason I want either Canada, USA or Sweden as finalists is to see more of Galchenyuk, Hudon, Collberg.

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Thats it, with the amount of talent we have, having a 3rd and 4th defensive is juste a waste, poor guyz like Drouin, Shinkaruk, Mcdavid(young I know, but such a beast) end up staying home watching the games on TV instead of dangling the **** out of the other teams and helping TC keep puck possession = good way to defend
They'll get they're chance, patience is a virtue.

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This is junior hockey. Don't over think. Throw the talent out there. If they need to play D, they'll be better at it than the grinders at their level anyway.
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They'll get they're chance, patience is a virtue.
and when they will, the bottom six players will still be grinders and so the story goes

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When does the camp starts?

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I guess I'll go against the grain here and say Go Canada.

That said I do find it a little embarassing how much Canada and TSN in particular overhypes this tourney.
The WJC is a huge thing in Canada and TSN is a Canadian sports broadcaster........how is that overhyping????????

And how does that personally embarass yourself?

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This is junior hockey. Don't over think. Throw the talent out there. If they need to play D, they'll be better at it than the grinders at their level anyway.
I agree to a certain extent. I wouldn't be thrilled to see Wilson on the team. But assuming RNH, Huberdeau, Strome and maybe Scheifele get a big chunk of the available PP time and offensive zone starts, I could see Catenacci and Danault trusted more than Drouin and Shinkaruk to fill some other roles, for example. I think there's a balance of skill, experience and versatility to be found. Not necessarily picking all the most talented prospects, nor one dimensional grinders.

Of course, if the lockout ends, that changes everything...

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12-08-2012, 01:11 PM
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When does the camp starts?
For Team Canada, the 10th.

For Team USA, the 16th I believe.

I hope Bergevin has told Team USA that they will not recall Gally even ifthe lockout ends and camps begin during the WJC. It's just the right thing to do. So far, only Burke has guaranteed TC he wouldn't call back Rielly during the WJC...

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/201...r-trouble.html

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12-10-2012, 09:43 AM
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This thread should be stickied and the first post should have a list of our guys at WJHC camps and their status(Collberg Hudon Galchenyuk Bozon and ??).

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This thread should be stickied and the first post should have a list of our guys at WJHC camps and their status(Collberg Hudon Galchenyuk Bozon and ??).
I think that's something we could do as the rosters are finalized and the WJC gets closer. If someone wants to get started on a post like that (or at least the formatting/template), I'll edit it into the first post.

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This thread should be stickied and the first post should have a list of our guys at WJHC camps and their status(Collberg Hudon Galchenyuk Bozon and ??).
Just to be clear, Bozon isn't at any camp. Turned down France's invitation to play in the other WJC for the developing countries.

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I think that's something we could do as the rosters are finalized and the WJC gets closer. If someone wants to get started on a post like that (or at least the formatting/template), I'll edit it into the first post.
It would be cool to have a stat sheet for all of our players in the WJC. I'll follow the games closely, will wake up early in the morning to watch them for sure, so I can help out.

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When is the first match?

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When is the first match?
http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?id=62670

Canada's first game is on December 26. TSN might show one or two pre-tournament games as well.

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http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?id=62670

Canada's first game is on December 26. TSN might show one or two pre-tournament games as well.
9 AM on the 26th?

Screw that. I'll be with my girlfriend.

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9 AM on the 26th?

Screw that. I'll be with my girlfriend.
4:30 AM lol

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9 AM on the 26th?

Screw that. I'll be with my girlfriend.
Hey, 9am is pretty good! 4am for the rest of us Canadians.

I'm debating going to bed a couple of hours earlier and just getting up for work at 4 instead of 6 to watch some of the games. Problem is, I'd have to leave before they ended, so I might as well just wait and watch em on the PVR later.

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