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12-10-2012, 01:02 PM
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Of course you would accept that, because there's nothing good coming Vancouver's way.

If the package doesn't include Lupul, Grabovski, or Gardiner, or Reilly, then I don't have any interest. We also need a 1st round pick involved.
these leaf fans are so obsessed with the idea that stockpiling young talent is going to build a future winner, but they dont realize that their young guys are simply learning how to lose. they think that giving up some of their limited REAL proven talent, that they will be a worse team.

what they dont realie is what us as Canuck fans have found out. once you have luongo on your team, it allows everyone else to be better at what they do, and it helps attract UFA talent in the offseason. In the locker room, he's a leader and a winner. They have the wrong impression that he's some kind of cancer, and the canucks WANT to get rid of him. it couldnt be further from the truth. we just happen to be confident enough in Cory that moving Lu is an option.

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these leaf fans are so obsessed with the idea that stockpiling young talent is going to build a future winner, but they dont realize that their young guys are simply learning how to lose. they think that giving up some of their limited REAL proven talent, that they will be a worse team.

what they dont realie is what us as Canuck fans have found out. once you have luongo on your team, it allows everyone else to be better at what they do, and it helps attract UFA talent in the offseason. In the locker room, he's a leader and a winner. They have the wrong impression that he's some kind of cancer, and the canucks WANT to get rid of him. it couldnt be further from the truth. we just happen to be confident enough in Cory that moving Lu is an option.
Exactly. It's convenient to move Luongo for other assets, but if all we are being offered is junk I'd be more than happy keeping Luongo and rolling both goalies. We have been very successful doing that and I have no problem with it.

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12-10-2012, 01:08 PM
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I'm not arguing that he (Luongo) isn't the best option, I'm merely saying that he isn't the be all end all.

The offer that I'm more likely to accept is this one...

Bozak + Kadri + Colborne + Blacker

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Luongo


I wish we could swap out Blacker somehow. That is my sticking point.
Won't cost that much.

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except that it wont be a low cost to aquire him. the team that aquires him is getting the 2nd half of a hall of fame career, who will end up 2nd or 3rd in all time NHL wins for a goalie. all you need is ownership willing to spend money to win, fielding some talent around him, and you are a playoff team, like Vancouver.
Low cost isn't for the player but for the contract that comes with him.

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Of course you would accept that, because there's nothing good coming Vancouver's way.

If the package doesn't include Lupul, Grabovski, or Gardiner, or Reilly, then I don't have any interest. We also need a 1st round pick involved.
That, is not my proposal. It's from a Vancouver fan.

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Won't cost that much.



Low cost isn't for the player but for the contract that comes with him.
and the contract cheats so you get a 6.75mil player for 5.3 per year. once again, you need an onwership group willing to spend money to win for this contract to make sense to you. the fact that you think 7 years away effects anything TODAY is where you have it wrong. But then you are looking at things from the perspective of missing the playoffs 7 years in a row, not being a contender, so I see why you might feel that way.

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Won't cost that much.
I'd replace Colborne and Blacker with a later pick, but we will see.

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I'm not arguing that he (Luongo) isn't the best option, I'm merely saying that he isn't the be all end all.

The offer that I'm more likely to accept is this one...

Bozak + Kadri + Colborne + Blacker

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Luongo


I wish we could swap out Blacker somehow. That is my sticking point.
This is why I think it is probably fair, you don't want to lose Blacker, I really don't want Coulborne. I am actually also surprised the leafs would give him up as he kind of is your center depth at the prospect level.

This is a deal I would accept, but not like, my thinking is only two pieces that will become anything, on our team.

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12-10-2012, 01:21 PM
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That, is not my proposal. It's from a Vancouver fan.
Well I'm glad it's from a fan and not Gillis. A mediocre 3C (for us), a B prospect, and two C-level prospects does not equate to good value for a top 5 goaltender.

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I'd replace Colborne and Blacker with a later pick, but we will see.
I figured it would be Bozak + 2nd, probably a little more so that isn't too far off.

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I figured it would be Bozak + 2nd, probably a little more so that isn't too far off.
Uhh this is the Luongo thread, not the Stastny thread. Kindly take your Bozak + 2nd offers elsewhere.

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"Value" equals whatever the market is willing to bear.


We will know what Luongo's value is if and when he gets traded.

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I figured it would be Bozak + 2nd, probably a little more so that isn't too far off.
Yeah, we pass on that. No reason to give up Luongo if it's basically just Bozak.

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I figured it would be Bozak + 2nd, probably a little more so that isn't too far off.
That is absurd. It'll take a hell of a lot more than that. Unless you misspelt Kessel as Bozak.

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I figured it would be Bozak + 2nd, probably a little more so that isn't too far off.
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I'm not arguing that he (Luongo) isn't the best option, I'm merely saying that he isn't the be all end all.

The offer that I'm more likely to accept is this one...

Bozak + Kadri + Colborne + Blacker

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Luongo


I wish we could swap out Blacker somehow. That is my sticking point.
Yep we have finally come an agreement and many fans on both sides agree. Obviously there will be the extremists that want clear winner, but that is the case in faucets of life. Finally some common ground

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I'm not arguing that he (Luongo) isn't the best option, I'm merely saying that he isn't the be all end all.

The offer that I'm more likely to accept is this one...

Bozak + Kadri + Colborne + Blacker

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Luongo


I wish we could swap out Blacker somehow. That is my sticking point.
I can accept this framework; just swap out Bozak for JVR, Kadri for Gardiner and Colborne for a first round pick.

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Yep we have finally come an agreement and many fans on both sides agree. Obviously there will be the extremists that want clear winner, but that is the case in faucets of life. Finally some common ground
This doesn't make sense as it guts the leafs centre depth.

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Yep we have finally come an agreement and many fans on both sides agree. Obviously there will be the extremists that want clear winner, but that is the case in faucets of life. Finally some common ground
My "faucet" is hot and cold like a lot of these proposals.

The rest makes no sense. A clear winner won't be known because his contract has such a large impact on the return. It's not a question of player value vs player value.

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This doesn't make sense as it guts the leafs centre depth.
Aye, plus Vancouver doesn't need depth at center. That is one of Schroeder's biggest obstacles. I don't mind the package but I cannot see it happening.

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This doesn't make sense as it guts the leafs centre depth.
Other ways to replenish that depth. Other trades, free agency, plus over seas. We have some good personel overseas that could pluck some talent away and bring them to NA. It would be easy for us to replace the likes of Colborne (with his play of late, underwhelming, even though I realise he's coming off of an injury)

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This doesn't make sense as it guts the leafs centre depth.
Thats what I thought too, I would easily swap out Coulborne for a 2nd, Biggs, Ashton, or possibly something else.

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My "faucet" is hot and cold like a lot of these proposals.

The rest makes no sense. A clear winner won't be known because his contract has such a large impact on the return. It's not a question of player value vs player value.
The leafs would be the clear winner of this trade, and this is coming from a Van fan who would do this trade. You get the best player, and by a long shot. Are any of the players coming back going to make the HHOF? Or be nominated for a major NHL award? Lead the league any any statistic?

Yeah, again if Lui's contract was not an issue, the Bozak Frattin Gardiner, 5OA pick would be an undersell.

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Thats what I thought too, I would easily swap out Coulborne for a 2nd, Biggs, Ashton, or possibly something else.



The leafs would be the clear winner of this trade, and this is coming from a Van fan who would do this trade. You get the best player, and by a long shot. Are any of the players coming back going to make the HHOF? Or be nominated for a major NHL award? Lead the league any any statistic?

Yeah, again if Lui's contract was not an issue, the Bozak Frattin Gardiner, 5OA pick would be an undersell.
Fantastic logic. Selanne is a future HHOF inductee. Maybe you should trade Kassian, Schroeder and 1st for him.

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If I'm going to take a minute and look at this impartially, which I try to do with most things in my life, I would say that a fair return for Luongo fits into this mold.

A player with top six playing time. A prospect, not necessarily a blue chip... Let me rephrase, not a blue chip. And a 1st round draft pick.


Non of this protected BS...a first round draft pick. It's starting to look like we're going to lose the season...so I understand if its a 2014. It's either a 13 or 14 pick. Not top five protected. Not top ten protected, not conditional that the leafs make the playoffs. You choose what year.

In my mind its Kulemin, Kadri and a 1st for Luongo.

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Fantastic logic. Selanne is a future HHOF inductee. Maybe you should trade Kassian, Schroeder and 1st for him.
Great logic, lets take a guy who has 5-6 years left of play, and compare him to a guy who has almost retired the last 3 years...

See I can play too.

Compare Lui to what you would pay for a 30 year old center who fits the criteria I stated.

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Great logic, lets take a guy who has 5-6 years left of play, and compare him to a guy who has almost retired the last 3 years...

See I can play too.

Compare Lui to what you would pay for a 30 year old center who fits the criteria I stated.
5-6 years? What guarantee is there? Second, Leafs are no where near being a contender. Why blow our load for an aging player with a long-term contract?

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