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12-10-2012, 03:02 PM
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Mogilny...brings back some great memories with the Leafs. Too bad he wasnt with them for longer.
Not to mention he was on the back-end of his career with TML. I still think that he was the closest thing Toronto had to a superstar in it's modern franchise history.

Also, I remember he was expected to be the big perform at his WJC but Bure blew everyone away as an underager. According to Tikhonov, this line was filtered and put together for over 10+ years to become an even better replacement than the KLM line. Too bad it never materialized.

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12-10-2012, 03:30 PM
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Thanks Japan!
every team played Japan, so why didnt the other teams players score 10p against them?

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12-10-2012, 03:39 PM
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every team played Japan, so why didnt the other teams players score 10p against them?
inb4 "running up the score"

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12-10-2012, 03:57 PM
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By the way, I'm not sure how the playoff round has changed things over the old round robin format in regards to the scoring records. You play a roughly equivalent group of teams caliber wise, though possibly in one less game thanks to the first place bye. I think other factors probably have more of an effect including the fact that hockey just isn't as high scoring as it used to be.
You are right. There are more factors. Czechoslovakia was a very good hockey nation, but they were together, so that meant one more spot for a very weak team. Systems play wasn't as prevalent back then. Teams didn't trap like crazy. While there were only 8 teams, the gap between the top 4 and bottom 4 was much bigger.

The bye is also a factor. I'm glad it is going away. Both to have the scoring race even in number of games played, but more so in that the top two teams don't have the huge advantage of an extra day of rest. Playing back to back games of a QF and SF makes it too difficult for the lower seeded team.

You are right that it is still 7 games, but it isn't an even distribution of opponents. Lets say hypothetically one year the standings end up Finland, Russia, Canada, Switzerland, Slovakia, USA, Sweden, Czech, Latvia and relegated team. Some major upsets happened and maybe it was a bad age group for a couple teams. The next year you would see Canada, Russia, USA and Sweden in the same group with a graduated team. Finland, Czech, Slovakia, Switzerland and Latvia would be together. If most of the great players that aided in those seedings are too old now, that pool might be a feeding ground for a good Finnish squad.

When I look at stats and medals in the U20, I always think of it as two separate eras. Pre 1996 and after.

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12-10-2012, 05:12 PM
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inb4 "running up the score"
well everybody knows that canadian juniors are way classier than swedes

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12-10-2012, 05:25 PM
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well everybody knows that canadian juniors are way classier than swedes
While running up the score is thought of as unclassy in Canada, it should have no bearing on U20 games. Goal differential is a tie breaker. If you don't run up the score, another team will and it could make a huge difference in the results. Any Canadian who calls another team unclassy in this context is just ignorant of why it is necessary.

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12-10-2012, 06:12 PM
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inb4 "running up the score"
Canada runs up the score whenever it can. As would any other nation. It's just part of the game.

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12-10-2012, 06:27 PM
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Also agree a bit with the guy who said it wasn't necessarily the line, it was Forsberg. Forsberg had almost half of the points. Although it's possible the other great lines had a similar breakdown.
Don't go selling those other two guys down the river! Naslund scored 13 goals in that tournament (still a record!), and Sundstrom, while he didn't have as successful an NHL career as the other two, was still a great junior and would win the directorate award for top forward the following year, playing without Forsberg or Naslund.

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12-10-2012, 09:12 PM
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41 Mike Modano, Jeremy Roenick, John Leclair, USA
(20 G + 21 A), 1989 in Anchorage
I didn't knew they played together.

Definitively they have their place in the best line ever sent to the WJC..

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12-10-2012, 11:53 PM
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It would be hard to be the Bure- Fedorov - Moginly line.. WOW!
It was magic here was the WJC 89 win against Canada (7-2) in full.


Three goals from Mogilny.

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12-10-2012, 11:58 PM
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Bure-Fedorov-Moginly

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12-11-2012, 07:12 AM
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It was magic here was the WJC 89 win against Canada (7-2) in full.


Three goals from Mogilny.
Thanks for posting this video. Very interesting to see the hockey from 1980s!

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12-11-2012, 07:32 AM
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That Bure/Fedorov/Mogilny line.

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to me the Naslund // Forsberg // Sundstrom line is the most dominant line i've ever saw @ a WJC. I only started watchin in 91 but since then no one have even come close to what they did on the ice that year

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12-11-2012, 11:40 AM
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every team played Japan, so why didnt the other teams players score 10p against them?
It doesn't really matter, but it's not a secret that 33% of the points were scored in one game against a team so inferior it is always not worth discussing. Still, no need to be so defensive, it was a pretty harmless comment. We all know how good Forsberg & Naslund were.

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12-11-2012, 12:17 PM
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52 Esa Keskinen, Mikko Makela, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(24 G + 28 A), 1985 in Finland
This is the most scariest line to play against in junior hockey ever. If you hooked/slashed them they honestly tried to kill you out there and made sure you had both arms bruised as hell.

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12-11-2012, 12:35 PM
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It doesn't really matter, but it's not a secret that 33% of the points were scored in one game against a team so inferior it is always not worth discussing. Still, no need to be so defensive, it was a pretty harmless comment. We all know how good Forsberg & Naslund were.
eeh? How can it be justified to neglect their production in a tournament when every player had the chance to score 10 points against Japan?. He scored 4 points in a 5-4 loss against Canada aswell. Im not being 'defensive' about it, Im just questiioning peoples opinions

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12-14-2012, 09:11 AM
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Sweden scored 53 goals in that 92-93 tournament

Forsberg had 31 points in only 7 games. (involved in 58% of Sweden's goals)

10 points against Japan (W 20-1) -- 50%
5 points against Finland (W 9-2) -- 55%
5 points against Czech Rep. (W 7-2) -- 71%
4 points against Russia (W 5-1) -- 80%
4 points against Canada (L 4-5) -- 100%
2 points against USA (W 4-2) -- 50%
1 point against Germany (W 4-2) -- 25%


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12-14-2012, 01:14 PM
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Didn't Tavares and Stamkos play on the same line at the 2008 WJC's?

If I remember correctly, they didn't get a ton of ice time though.

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Nugent-Hopkins with 15 points in 6 games, not bad, not bad at all.

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01-05-2013, 06:55 AM
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Most Points by a forward line:

69 Markus Naslund, Peter Forsberg, Niklas Sundstrom, SWE
(30 G + 39 A), 1993 in Sweden

52 Esa Keskinen, Mikko Makela, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(24 G + 28 A), 1985 in Finland

50 Robert Reichel, Jaromir Jagr, Bobby Holik, CZE
(22 G + 28 A), 1990 in Finland

47 Esa Keskinen, Raimo Helminen, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(23 G + 24 A), 1984 in Sweden

46 Raimo Summanen, Petri Skriko, Risto Jalo, FIN
(22 G + 24 A), 1982 in USA

41 Mike Modano, Jeremy Roenick, John Leclair, USA
(20 G + 21 A), 1989 in Anchorage

stats to year 2005

Really surprised there is 3 finnish lines in top 6. Too bad Finns can't score anymore

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Love when people downplay Forsberg's 31 points, crediting it all to Japan.

He still had 20, or 21 against the rest of the teams, and that would still be good enough to put him high up the alltime list, but hang on, because then he's got one less game in the bag... and no matter what year they play everyone gets a game against a crappy team. He got 5 against Canada... I don't care if it was Ukraine, Khazakstan, Latvia (just pick the worst team from any year since then), common sense suggests that he'd be picking up well over 5 against any lower tier team.

If he struggled against the good teams, and picked up 11 against Japan for a total of 18, then there would be some sense to this argument.

31 points, people!

ps - Kariya et al. got to play Japan that year, too

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01-05-2013, 07:22 AM
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Nuge just got 33% of his points against Germany... what a Forsberg, score-running, point suck....

Didn't we beat Khazakstan 15-0 a couple of years ago? Are we really going to pull the "Swedes run up the score card" Jesus we hammer the first team out of the gates, mercilessly, every year, and our media and parrots just go on about how good whoever got 7 points is going to be. Only, they usually don't carry it on for the whole tournament.

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01-05-2013, 07:31 AM
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What about Sweden in '91-2: Nylander, Forsberg, Naslund, Renberg

They didn't score nearly as many points as the next year, but quite a line+ nonetheless.

One factor often overlooked is the difference between being 18, 17 or even 16... and being 19, going on 20.

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ahah...there it is...not sure how many games they did this in, but I think its one of the best as all 3 turned out to be star players..whereas only the Mogily - Federov- Bure line can really say the same thing....
It depends on your definition of a "star player". You could make an argument for the Czechs' line in 1990: Jagr definitely was/is a star. And both Holik and Reichel had very good careers in the NHL.

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