HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > National Hockey League Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
National Hockey League Talk Discuss NHL players, teams, games, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

NHL Lockout XXV: New car caviar four star daydream, think I'll buy me a hockey team

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-10-2012, 05:45 PM
  #826
Tra La La
Registered User
 
Tra La La's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Buffalo, New York
Country: Ireland
Posts: 4,715
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanwest View Post
They already have a favourable offer from the NHLPA on the table. IF they are prepared to lose a season over that then they are letting their emotions get in the way of good business sense.
It still has the big back diving contracts loophole. #Hillofdeath

And they threw in 2 new poison pills. Compliance buyouts, and cap on escrow.


Last edited by Tra La La: 12-10-2012 at 06:01 PM.
Tra La La is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:46 PM
  #827
McTankel
HFBoards Sponsor
 
McTankel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Hamburg, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 6,344
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingKopitar11 View Post
The last cba is so bad for the NHL the players don't realize it. They are too immature to understand it's not a healthy league. Man this is annoying
Extremely frustrating!

McTankel is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:47 PM
  #828
Boltsfan2029
Registered User
 
Boltsfan2029's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In deleted threads
Country: United States
Posts: 6,289
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
It doesn't matter which offer you refer to,
Well, it does, because I said no one suggested they sign the first offer (going by your words), and you jumped all over me for it. I would have agreed many have said they should have signed the "real first offer" but had no way of knowing that's what you meant.

Quote:
...they're going to do substantially better than any of them.
We'll disagree on that one, I think it's been pointed out numerous times that the players are losing more money at this point than they're going to gain.

Boltsfan2029 is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:48 PM
  #829
Boltsfan2029
Registered User
 
Boltsfan2029's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In deleted threads
Country: United States
Posts: 6,289
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
It's never good enough, they want as much as they can get.
Yep, both sides.

Boltsfan2029 is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:50 PM
  #830
UsernameWasTaken
Let's Go Blue Jays!
 
UsernameWasTaken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,875
vCash: 500
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
L'AJLNH confirme que des joueurs seront sur place lors des prochaines négociations.

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...69854220443649

according to the PA, players will go to the next negotiating session.

UsernameWasTaken is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:50 PM
  #831
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,323
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tra La La View Post
It still has the big back diving contracts loophole. #Hillofdeath
Easily solvable. Go 6 or 7 years max contract and negotiate on the variance somewhere bewteen the two. As long as it's not a retirement contract and the contract is insurable I don't see how it offends the cap. The NHL is building an elephant gun to shoot a mouse, IMO.

vanwest is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:50 PM
  #832
RangerBoy
#freejtmiller
 
RangerBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,887
vCash: 500
Quote:
Exactly. A main reason for really long deals was to have room to back dive. At 8-year max with 25-percent variance, that's gone.
https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/278268471542943744

RangerBoy is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:50 PM
  #833
yoss
Registered User
 
yoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,134
vCash: 500
omg worst lockout evar. The only thing i'm looking forward to at this point is what the title of the next thread will be.

yoss is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:51 PM
  #834
One Trick Pony
Registered User
 
One Trick Pony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,590
vCash: 500
https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...70241505673216

But no owners?

One Trick Pony is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:51 PM
  #835
Scurr
Registered User
 
Scurr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Whalley
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boltsfan2029 View Post
We'll disagree on that one, I think it's been pointed out numerous times that the players are losing more money at this point than they're going to gain.
I'll meet you back here when this thing is all over and we can add it up.

Scurr is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:52 PM
  #836
KingKopitar11*
Drew Doughty Eh?
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: staples center
Country: Russian Federation
Posts: 16,404
vCash: 500
You'd think the players would want a healthy league and teams instead they only think about themselves. They want to get on the Ice like they say they supposedly do then they should stop being greedy and take an unfavorable cba just to boost the league's health

KingKopitar11* is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:52 PM
  #837
Taro Tsujimoto
2 Sam(my)s, 1 avatar
 
Taro Tsujimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Clarence Center, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 5,216
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Taro Tsujimoto
Quote:
Originally Posted by UsernameWasTaken View Post
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
L'AJLNH confirme que des joueurs seront sur place lors des prochaines négociations.

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...69854220443649
And the English tweet:

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Players will be there for the next NHL CBA talks. #NHLPA #NHL

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...70241505673216

Taro Tsujimoto is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:54 PM
  #838
Ari91
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
What about all the BS about taking things off the table? They've said every offer after that 82 game one was going to get worse...

They didn't leave room for negotiation. Last, best offer. Take it or leave it, the offers are only getting worse

This BS about dying on the 5 year limit hill is bs too, the NHL has overplayed their hand and are getting called on all this stuff.
The league never said that every offer would get worse. Bettman made one comment about worse offers and he said that when his clients reach a point where they've incurred too much damage, then that might be reflected in the offers getting worse. THAT is what he said.

The league has never called any of their offers take it or leave, that is how the PA described them. Why do you conveniently hold the PA's words as gospel? The reality is that both sides are spinning things in their favour and if you're open minded enough to listen without bias, you'll see that everything that comes out of either sides mouth is carefully crafted.

Daly didn't specify the 5 year limit, he said contract limit is a hill they will die on. Does that mean it has to be 5 years? No, does it mean that the league will push for a contract limit? Most likely. These guys are lawyers, everything they say is manipulated to a certain degree and they speak vaguely enough that they aren't technically lying. If you're only willing to listen to the way the PA characterizes things and if you're aren't willing to carefully analyze a lawyer's words, then you're probably someone who is easily fooled.

And for the record, the PA second last offer was said to be the best they could offer. In the PA's last offer, they gave up on delinkage if revenues go down, they accepted a term on contract length, they accepted some sort of variance to apply (all of these in principle they weren't able to offer the last time but can now?). Both sides are bluffing and it's only by your own convenience that you think one side is coming out on top.

Ari91 is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:55 PM
  #839
rdawg1234
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,732
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taro Tsujimoto View Post
And the English tweet:

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Players will be there for the next NHL CBA talks. #NHLPA #NHL

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...70241505673216
Hate when he tweets in french first, 90% of the hockey population can only speak english!

but this seems like a half tweet, is there a meeting to be called.

rdawg1234 is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:55 PM
  #840
Scurr
Registered User
 
Scurr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Whalley
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingKopitar11 View Post
You'd think the players would want a healthy league and teams instead they only think about themselves. They want to get on the Ice like they say they supposedly do then they should stop being greedy and take an unfavorable cba just to boost the league's health
The millionaires should sacrifice more so that the billionaires can have it!

The PA has already given up enough to make the league healthier, the league needs to start helping itself.

Scurr is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:57 PM
  #841
uncleherman77
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 314
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by UsernameWasTaken View Post
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
L'AJLNH confirme que des joueurs seront sur place lors des prochaines négociations.

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...69854220443649

according to the PA, players will go to the next negotiating session.
So they're going to talk again soon? Anyone else find it odd the NHL only cancelled two weeks worth of games at this point? If I were them I would have called off a month until Jan 10th to send a clear message.

uncleherman77 is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:57 PM
  #842
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,323
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingKopitar11 View Post
You'd think the players would want a healthy league and teams instead they only think about themselves. They want to get on the Ice like they say they supposedly do then they should stop being greedy and take an unfavorable cba just to boost the league's health
To be fair, they have agreed to a 50/50 revenue share which the owners claimed initially was the biggest issue.

vanwest is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:57 PM
  #843
One Trick Pony
Registered User
 
One Trick Pony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,590
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
The millionaires should sacrifice more so that the billionaires can have it!

The PA has already given up enough to make the league healthier, the league needs to start helping itself.
Just because the owners are billionaires, it doesn't equate to the league being healthy. The majority make their money elsewhere.

One Trick Pony is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:58 PM
  #844
Crowdy
Co-founder, Crowdy
 
Crowdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,637
vCash: 500
I think the owners should start showing off their #lockoutproblems...



Saving 15 million dollars... #lockoutproblems - Henry Samueli

Crowdy is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:58 PM
  #845
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 41,623
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
The millionaires should sacrifice more so that the billionaires can have it!

The PA has already given up enough to make the league healthier, the league needs to start helping itself.
From what we expect to see from this CBA, I'd say the owners will need to look at what they're doing wrong if they're still struggling when it expires.

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:58 PM
  #846
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,323
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
The millionaires should sacrifice more so that the billionaires can have it!

The PA has already given up enough to make the league healthier, the league needs to start helping itself.
They'll be helping themselves all right. I'm sure that the owners' capologists will be ready to look for loopholes in the next CBA to get around that nasty old cap that the players imposed on them.

vanwest is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:59 PM
  #847
Taro Tsujimoto
2 Sam(my)s, 1 avatar
 
Taro Tsujimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Clarence Center, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 5,216
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Taro Tsujimoto
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdawg1234 View Post
Hate when he tweets in french first, 90% of the hockey population can only speak english!
Well, he does work for RDS, which is a french-speaking network. So it's understandable.

Taro Tsujimoto is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 05:59 PM
  #848
Do Make Say Think
Soul & Onward
 
Do Make Say Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,522
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdawg1234 View Post
Hate when he tweets in french first, 90% of the hockey population can only speak english!

but this seems like a half tweet, is there a meeting to be called.
90% of his followers most likely speak French as a first language

Do Make Say Think is online now  
Old
12-10-2012, 06:00 PM
  #849
UsernameWasTaken
Let's Go Blue Jays!
 
UsernameWasTaken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,875
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdawg1234 View Post
Hate when he tweets in french first, 90% of the hockey population can only speak english!

but this seems like a half tweet, is there a meeting to be called.
he's the hockey reporter for rds.

UsernameWasTaken is offline  
Old
12-10-2012, 06:01 PM
  #850
Ari91
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdawg1234 View Post
Hate when he tweets in french first, 90% of the hockey population can only speak english!

but this seems like a half tweet, is there a meeting to be called.
He usually tweets the translation separately.

So the set up seems to be Bettman/Daly with Fehrs and players.

Ari91 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:56 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.