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12-09-2012, 05:04 PM
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He has yet to hit 130 Pts in a full season, he will be nowhere 150 Pts, that is something you can bank on.

No one in the NHL today is capable of 140 Pts let alone 150 Pts.

We've all been waiting for Crosby to hit 140 Pts (some even claiming this was going to be his average after his sophomore season) and other than that second season in the NHL he has yet to get more than 110 Pts. The game isn't getting any more open and usually players peak statistically in the early 20's. He will be 26 next season and history usually tells us that your statistical peak is behind you at age 26.

It's much easier to average 1.65 PPG in 20 or 41 game stretches; trying to pull that off over an entire season is much harder. A player is bound to hit a slump or two, get injured, run into hot goaltenders. Not even Malkin (who I think is a more talented player than Crosby is) has what it takes to pull off a 120 + Pts season in today's NHL. The last time a player averaged over 1.60 PPG in over 60 games or more in the same season was 1995-96. I just don't see anyone doing it in today's game.

The game at its most open could resemble more the 2005-06 season and if that's any indication, two players had 123 and 125 Pts respectively and everyone else had less than 110 Pts. For Crosby to hit 140-150 Pts that would mean that he would win the Art Ross by 20-30 Pts, sorry but that's not going to happen.

The next big hit could be Crosby's last in the NHL; just saying.
Crosby has 133 points in his last 82 games, with one quarter of those games coming off a year-long hiatus from the game.

I would bet my house that a healthy Crosby, in his prime, hits 120+ points. He's a much better player today, barring any lingering health issues, than he was when he was 19. If the game opens up, the rest of the NHL better look out.

And Malkin was on pace for 120 points last year. If Malkin can put up 120 points, there's no reason Crosby can't put up 130-140 points in a career year. Crosby is better and more consistent than Malkin, anyway.

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12-09-2012, 05:09 PM
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The next big hit could be Crosby's last in the NHL; just saying.
Any big hit to any player could be their last. It boils down to basic happenstance.

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Except there is hockey, and Kopitar is playing in a country he played in before and his brother his on the team.

Matt Read is younger and in a new country and is out performing Kopitar.

Funny though people keep saying Malkin, he's not even best player on his KHL team and routinely is invisible and gets points thanks to great plays by Mozyakin.
Funny though people keep saying Malkin because he led the NHL in scoring by 12 points while playing 7 less games after coming off of knee surgery the following year. I'm just curious as to what kind of declaration you're building up to?

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12-09-2012, 05:17 PM
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Except there is hockey, and Kopitar is playing in a country he played in before and his brother his on the team.

Matt Read is younger and in a new country and is out performing Kopitar.

Funny though people keep saying Malkin, he's not even best player on his KHL team and routinely is invisible and gets points thanks to great plays by Mozyakin.
I would be willing to bet you everything in my bank account that, in the next 82 game season, Malkin and Kopitar outscore Matt Read.

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12-09-2012, 05:21 PM
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Sheltered minutes and zone starts most of the year
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RNH offensive zone start
62.5

Sedins' zone start
79.6
78.6

P. Kane zone start
66.3

Toews zone start
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Malkin zone start
65.9

Gaborik zone start
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So yea, zone starts are more a sign of intelligent coaching of offensive talents.

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12-10-2012, 12:56 AM
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Radulov, Frolov, Zherdev, Zubov, Anson Carter imo
I like Anson Carter too... but he's no Russian.

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12-10-2012, 03:06 AM
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1. Dustin brown's gonna go on a tear.
2. Anze kopitar has found his stride.
3. Drew doughty's gonna show why he deserves the norris.

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12-10-2012, 10:10 AM
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Claude Giroux. 17 points in 10 playoff games last year. 19 points in 9 games in the DEL.

Kid finished with 93 points last season in 77 games and he's still under rated. He'll break 100 his next full season.


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12-10-2012, 11:45 AM
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12-10-2012, 12:29 PM
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12-10-2012, 12:33 PM
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Young guns - Hall, Tavares, Seguin

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12-10-2012, 12:35 PM
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Doughty with a 60 point season

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12-10-2012, 12:45 PM
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1. Dustin brown's gonna go on a tear.
2. Anze kopitar has found his stride.
3. Drew doughty's gonna show why he deserves the norris.
good god, not 1 but 3 homer votes!!

It's too easy to say Crosby and Malkin so I'll go a little more out on a limb.

1. Patrick Kane
2. Seguin
3. Huberdeau and Schultz compete for Calder

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12-10-2012, 12:47 PM
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12-10-2012, 01:27 PM
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Really think Duchene breaks out next time we play. He realized that he has to take the offseason more seriously, and worked alot harder this year, and he's been playing pretty good in Europe so far. He'll be back playing his rightfull position and with more then capable wingers in Paranteau and Hejduk/Olver.

If the next hockey we see is an 82 games season, I can see Duchene putting up 30/50, and if the next season is a 48 game season, I can see him doing 20/30.

I also see Victor Hedman having a real good year.

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12-10-2012, 02:13 PM
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I'd love to see Benn, Tavares and Stamkos excel.

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12-10-2012, 02:20 PM
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I want to see Tavares have a 100 point season. I think he will as soon as there's a full season, the guy is unreal and the islanders are getting better.

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12-10-2012, 04:55 PM
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Except there is hockey, and Kopitar is playing in a country he played in before and his brother his on the team.

Matt Read is younger and in a new country and is out performing Kopitar.

Funny though people keep saying Malkin, he's not even best player on his KHL team and routinely is invisible and gets points thanks to great plays by Mozyakin.
Except you're flat-out wrong. Kopitar has 25 points in 22 games, and is 7th in the Allsvenskan with points, whereas Matt Read has 10 points in 8 games and ranks 77th. Are you comparing ppg? Or did you compare Read to Anze's brother, Gaspar, who is in the 99th spot?

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12-10-2012, 05:05 PM
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He won't tear up the league. Sorry.
He'll probably tear it up on the PP, especially on Edmonton's already great PP unit. That will inflate his point totals. At even strength, I agree. Based on what I've seen, he roams around way too much in the offensive zone(to a degree that just won't work in the NHL), and his defensive game needs work.

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12-10-2012, 06:20 PM
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Crosby has 133 points in his last 82 games, with one quarter of those games coming off a year-long hiatus from the game.

I would bet my house that a healthy Crosby, in his prime, hits 120+ points. He's a much better player today, barring any lingering health issues, than he was when he was 19. If the game opens up, the rest of the NHL better look out.

And Malkin was on pace for 120 points last year. If Malkin can put up 120 points, there's no reason Crosby can't put up 130-140 points in a career year. Crosby is better and more consistent than Malkin, anyway.
Were those 133 Pts in the same season? No!

It is much easier to have 133 Pts in 82 games spread over 3 seasons and a bit than it is to score 133 Pts in full season over the same season.

During the same season players are bound to get hurt, hit slumps and run into hot goaltenders.

Forsberg was a player who was the prime example of this. He averaged 1.41 PPG in his 3 best seasons but only 2 of those seasons were full seasons. The more games you play in the season, the less likely you are to keep your high PPG pace up.

Heck Ovechkin averaged 1.66 PPG in his first 50 games in 2009-10 before hitting a slump. It happens to the best of them.

So far Crosby has maxed out at 120 Pts in a higher scoring year and has yet to score more than 109 Pts since then and he's not getting any younger either.

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12-10-2012, 06:24 PM
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I watched a package of all of Garissons goals last year, and OMG will he ever help the nuck powerplay.

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12-10-2012, 06:25 PM
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Zetterberg might have a monster year if he has half the chemistry he currently has with Brunner in Europe.

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12-10-2012, 09:37 PM
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Except you're flat-out wrong. Kopitar has 25 points in 22 games, and is 7th in the Allsvenskan with points, whereas Matt Read has 10 points in 8 games and ranks 77th. Are you comparing ppg? Or did you compare Read to Anze's brother, Gaspar, who is in the 99th spot?

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Wrong. Actual stats. Read's ppg is indeed better but I don't think that'll mean anything when NHL starts. But I hope I'm wrong.

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12-10-2012, 09:51 PM
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I'm guessing DiPietro's groin gets torn up when the league is back.

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12-10-2012, 10:03 PM
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1) Crosby
2) Ovechkin
3) Kesler

All coming off of down years due to injuries/coaching, and will likely be itching to do something when hockeys starts.

And no, I'm not saying Kesler will tear it up as much as Crosby/OV.

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12-10-2012, 10:05 PM
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So yea, zone starts are more a sign of intelligent coaching of offensive talents.
The difference is that Toews, Malkin, and the Sedins used those minutes to crush their opposition in puck possession. When both Sedins were on the ice, the Canucks controlled 59.9% of all shot attempts. When Toews and Kane were on the ice, the Blackhawks took 59.2% of all shot attempts. Malkin and Neal? 58.0%.

Nugent-Hopkins spent more ice time with Eberle than anyone else, and when RNH+Eberle were on the ice, despite cushy offensive minutes against lesser competition, they barely outshot the opposition - 50.2%.

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