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12-10-2012, 04:58 PM
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again, people are only open to this because they made a boo-boo or want miniscule improvements to prospects. i made a booboo by trading Leblanc and Beaulieu (hurt my prospect pool) but i'm okay with that. wanting to hit ctrl+z isn't enough reason to restart a league like this one imo, and isn't the original premise of this idea (the franchise rule). just put the rule in place from here on out
Teams like minnesota were completely changed after the first like 2 months. Whoever had minny first traded away everybody for prospects. Chi while still having its core is a wheelhouse for trades, anaheim is pretty different, edmonton is way different, cbj would never trade away JJ or anisimov after just acquiring them. If we dont restart what i think we should do is go through stats and all that an figure out a clear cut franchise list. Somebody who makes an obvious impact for their team(i.e mursak with 102pts in 87 games)

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12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
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After some thought my position right now is no restart, just enforce from here on out.

Lets make an official list of each teams 1 Franchise Player

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12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
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For the love of all things holy DO NOT start over lol yeesh. I've worked so hard to build this team intelligently managing both my cap and roster, keeping its identity in tact.

Fuss, please just veto trades from now on after debating. but the rest of the trades these past few seasons haven't been that bad. The only questionable GM trades have been involving Edmonton. Everyone else is pretty good.

IN real life: Carter and Richards were traded, then Carter traded again. We are not that far apart from real life in a cap world. BOTH Evander Kane and Patty Kane are subject to multiple trade rumors. Rick Nash was traded for scraps. Bobby Ryan is likely to move, even Getzlaf. Louongo is moving for sure. Schenn and JVR moved. There are tons of stars moving in the real nhl. Of course ours might 'seem' drastic but we are 3 years ahead of real life. Jordan Staal is in Carolina this year, and we pretty much can say Marc Staal will be with the Hurricanes next year if not this year in real life.
So what you're telling me is that in 2 years (real years, not Bluth Years) only 4 superstar players have been traded. Carter, Richards, Staal and Nash. Schenn and JVR aren't franchise players. Luongo is the only other person on your list of people who are likely to be be traded. Even if i'm being generous and say that everyone you listed has been traded or has almost been traded, thats still only 5 Superstar players moved in 2 years. 5! Not 27. Its complete unrealistic and these rosters seem to be randomness based on GMs making either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid trades. This league was supposed to be about realism and maintaining identity and its very far from that.

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12-10-2012, 05:01 PM
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Lets make an official list of each teams 1 Franchise Player
I assume this takes age / contract as well as OV into account, right?

Contenders for Rangers would include Gaborik, Richards, and Lundquist, but in yr 3, I think you could probably make a case for McDonagh as well.

Just so I'm clear, there isn't a prohibition on trading those players, just conditions attached? You should be able to deal a declining superstar, or a player on the last year of a contract, etc.

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12-10-2012, 05:02 PM
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So what you're telling me is that in 2 years (real years, not Bluth Years) only 4 superstar players have been traded. Carter, Richards, Staal and Nash. Schenn and JVR aren't franchise players. Luongo is the only other person on your list of people who are likely to be be traded. Even if i'm being generous and say that everyone you listed has been traded or has almost been traded, thats still only 5 Superstar players moved in 2 years. 5! Not 27. Its complete unrealistic and these rosters seem to be randomness based on GMs making either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid trades. This league was supposed to be about realism and maintaining identity and its very far from that.

the new CBA wants a 60 mil salary cap, I'm very sure there will be a ton of trades to get back down to it.

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12-10-2012, 05:02 PM
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after some more thought I really do think the best option is just to install the franchise player rule going forward. rebooting the league or undoing deals is too much of an extreme.

final vote: no restart, just install rule going forward.
My vote as well.

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12-10-2012, 05:03 PM
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Well it seems like i dont have support on this so a reset will not be happening. However, expect my Franchise Player Rule to be RIDICULOUSLY enforced. I'll be making a list of franchise players from every team in the league and it should be done in a few minutes.

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12-10-2012, 05:03 PM
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After some thought my position right now is no restart, just enforce from here on out.

Lets make an official list of each teams 1 Franchise Player
This.

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12-10-2012, 05:03 PM
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Buffalo would be Skinner, Johnson, or Miller. Any thoughts?
I think Miller is too old and is declining... i think its just between skinner and johnson.

Miller and Pominville are still the faces of Buffalo though so idk.

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12-10-2012, 05:04 PM
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I think it's pretty clear the overwhelming vote is no restart.


Pacioretty, PK, Price are Montreal's franchise players

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12-10-2012, 05:04 PM
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The only way I would want a restart would be if we sim to this year. Honestly Ottawa is hard to play with when it has it's original team.

Vote: No restart unless simmed to this year.

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12-10-2012, 05:05 PM
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I think the Ducks could really benefit from a fresh start, getting players like Ryan, Etem and Fowler back but I think people put too much time in to just start over the league. If you want to really camp down on the franchise players from now on that is totally fine but I wouldn't be in favour of a total restart. Redoing all franchise trades could really screw over some teams so I don't think that is a great solution either. You got 30 GMs here who seem to be very active and are fine with the teams they built or inherited. Just my two cents. Probably going to piss more people off by restarting or redoing trades rather than just putting a stop to franchise player trades now

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Avalanche are: Landeskog, Duchene, Johnson..I think

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If we are enforcing a franchise player rule I have some more ideas to add to it restart or not. 1.) a team cannot trade a "franchise player" if they are playing well. i.e. a team in 3rd place such as the Blackhawks cannot trade Jonathan Toews. 2.) The only times a team can trade a franchise player is if they are not doing well, or he is set to become a UFA. This will significantly reduce the amount of big name players moved and adds significant realism to the league. (this coming from the guy that blew up his team.)

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12-10-2012, 05:09 PM
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Another thing here Fuss is that you've got a bunch off GMs in here who really love the trading component of the game, I'd definitely put myself in that category.

If you implement a no trade proposal, guys that love trading might be ok with it because they've already had that chance to deal and improve/change their team to their style.

If you restart and place that restriction right from the beginning guys won't get that chance though, could be some issues there.

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12-10-2012, 05:10 PM
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no need to list your franchise players if hes making his own list. It will definitely have to be updated every year. And for franchise prospects i think it should work differently, if your trading a 4.5 franchise prospect for a 4.0 prospect i dont think you should have to expect to pay the same ridiculous overpayment just the difference of the .5* IMO unless its a top 3 or 5 picked prospect then I think it would take a lot more for a team to move those players.

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12-10-2012, 05:11 PM
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Western Conference Franchise Players and Prospects

Perry and Getzlaf (since ANH GM chose to resign them), Parise
Shinkaruk, Murray
Klimchuck and Baertschi
Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, RNH
Duchene, Landeskog, Hedman, Johnson
Malkin and Hossa
Mursak, Datsyuk, Weber, Fleury
Yakupov, Hall
Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, Benn
Couture, Fowler, Etem, Granlund, Suter
Zetterberg, Rinne
Eberle, OEL
Pavelski, Burns, Couturier
Bergeron, Huberdeau, Pietrangelo
Sedins, Kesler, Edler

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12-10-2012, 05:12 PM
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Eastern Conference Franchise Players and Prospects

Chara, Lucic, Seguin, Hamilton
Johnson, Grigorenko, Skinner, Miller, Pominville
Myers, Staal, Staal
Markstrom
Subban, Price, Patches
Kovalchuk, Zajac
Tavares, Ryan,
Richards, Nash, McDonaugh, Callahan, Lundqvist
Spezza, Karlsson, Cowen
Giroux
Crosby, Howard, Eriksson, Letang, Kikuts
Stamkos
Kessel, Koivu
Ladd, Bogosian
Larsson, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kane, Alzner, Carlsson


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12-10-2012, 05:12 PM
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The only times a team can trade a franchise player is if they are not doing well, or he is set to become a UFA. This will significantly reduce the amount of big name players moved and adds significant realism to the league.
I agree with this part.

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12-10-2012, 05:14 PM
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Miller, Skinner, Johnson, Pominville

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12-10-2012, 05:15 PM
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Western Conference Franchise Players and Prospects

Perry and Getzlaf (since ANH GM chose to resign them), Parise
Shinkaruk, Murray
Klimchuck and Baertschi
Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, RNH
Duchene, Landeskog, Hedman, Johnson
Malkin and Hossa
Mursak, Datsyuk, Weber, Fleury
Yakupov, Hall
Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, Benn
Couture, Fowler, Etem, Granlund, Suter
Zetterberg, Rinne
Eberle, OEL
Pavelski, Burns, Couturier
Bergeron, Huberdeau, Pietrangelo
Sedins, Kesler, Edler
sad panda, no real franchise players for We win by committee here in columbus..

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I agree with this part.
what about the 1st part? How often do you see a team that is doing well trade a franchise player?

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12-10-2012, 05:21 PM
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Eastern Conference Franchise Players and Prospects

Chara, Lucic, Seguin, Hamilton
Johnson, Grigorenko, Skinner, Vanek
Myers, Staal, Staal
Markstrom
Subban, Price, Patches
Kovalchuk, Zajac
Tavares, Ryan,
Richards, Nash, McDonaugh, Callahan, Kreider, Lundqvist
Spezza, Karlsson, Cowen
Giroux
Crosby, Howard, Eriksson, Letang
Stamkos
Kessel, Koivu
Ladd, Bogosian
Larsson, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kane, Luongo, Alzner, Carlsson
couple things here. Howard is a franchise player for me? He is a good goalie but he is definitely not a franchise goalie. And how is Kikuts not on that list? Anyone who is a former 1st overall pick should be considered a franchise player.

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12-10-2012, 05:24 PM
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The only way i approve a trade of a Franchise Player/Prospect is if one of the three criteria are met...

1) A team has been struggling 3 seasons in a row. "Struggling" is defined as not making the playoffs 3 years in a row.

or

2) If that Franchise Player is over the age of 36, and then the player must be dealt for a futures package to a team that is currently a playoff team (ranked 8th or better in conference) or was a playoff team the season before (if the deal is done in the offseason)

or 3) If that Franchise Player is a UFA the following season.

If you guys dont want to start over and maintain the actual identities of NHL teams thats fine, but you will be maintaining the current identity of your team for a long time.

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Eastern Conference Franchise Players and Prospects

Chara, Lucic, Seguin, Hamilton
Johnson, Grigorenko, Skinner, Vanek
Myers, Staal, Staal
Markstrom
Subban, Price, Patches
Kovalchuk, Zajac
Tavares, Ryan,
Richards, Nash, McDonaugh, Callahan, Kreider, Lundqvist
Spezza, Karlsson, Cowen
Giroux
Crosby, Howard, Eriksson, Letang
Stamkos
Kessel, Koivu
Ladd, Bogosian
Larsson, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kane, Luongo, Alzner, Carlsson
Lol wth man, Alzner and Luongo are borderline franchise at best...

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