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12-10-2012, 10:43 PM
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12-10-2012, 10:44 PM
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For every Allan Walsh out there tweeting the link to the P&R article, I wish there were a few guys shoving this article in the NHLPA's face.

I'd love to hear what Prust, Bisonnette, Cole, Gorges, Upshall, Versteeg (and co, etc) would have to say after reading that. Most of them probably don't even know who Paul Kelly is.
Wish the NHL would put the good offer back on the table and make all contracts at 7 and tell the PA to vote. i'll have my new christmas jersey somewhere ready to go?

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12-10-2012, 10:45 PM
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More Jarret Stoll, "It hasnít been handled well on both sides, thatís why we are where we are."

https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/...39782982111232
But but but...ALL the players in the PA are on the same page, solidified, united, behind Fehr 100%!

This can't be!!!

Must be a mis-quote

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12-10-2012, 10:49 PM
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The NHLPA is a mess and that article makes it clear. They don't care for the sport at all, it's all about money. With Paul Kelly at the helm, we would have had a full season.
Every time I've heard Paul Kelly speak about the lockout he's said the players should get their contracts paid out as they were promised. The NHL may have been more likely to compromise with him, I suppose, I'm not sure there would have been a full season though. The NHL's plan from the get-go was likely some kind of lockout to see how much they could get back.

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12-10-2012, 10:52 PM
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I'm still waiting for someone to give me a deal, with numbers, that is "significantly" better than what was offered in Oct.

The pro-NHLPA crowd keeps ignoring it.

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12-10-2012, 10:53 PM
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Every time I've heard Paul Kelly speak about the lockout he's said the players should get their contracts paid out as they were promised. The NHL may have been more likely to compromise with him, I suppose, I'm not sure there would have been a full season though. The NHL's plan from the get-go was likely some kind of lockout to see how much they could get back.
Thus the reason the PA declined invitation after invitation from the league to get talks started.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

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Oh my goodness....

I will admit, that at the time that the last Lockout ended, I was so thrilled to have hockey back, that I didn't pay much attention to the things that were going on with the Union, even though I had heard/read the headlines of everything that happened from when the last lockout ended until now.

But I never knew the details of the whole story...That's just entirely sickening!

It really just makes me sick reading that and now I'm expected to continue cheering for players when hockey comes back? (I mean at the end of the day, I root for my team not individual players)
I've read bits and pieces of innuendo on these boards about the whole Kelly mess but never saw the whole story, that article really shed light on what happened for me. Eric Lindros, good god

Among other things we'd have realignment too if Kelly was still there. The PA using THAT as an opening salvo really started the CBA war a year early.

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12-10-2012, 10:56 PM
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Thus the reason the PA declined invitation after invitation from the league to get talks started.

Don't let the facts get in your way.
Don't let propaganda get in your way. I don't side with the players but these kinds of negotiations need arbitrary deadlines unless they're going to keep status quo. It's nearly impossible to imagine the league getting all the givebacks it needs without pressuring the players with lost wages. Even if they had started negotiating in 2009 it would have gotten to the point where there was some kind of lockout. It may not even have gone beyond October but anyone who thinks a lockout wasn't inevitable was fooling themselves.

The league needed a high level of givebacks and even if Paul Kelly was at the helm, it would have been a difficult issue.

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I'm still waiting for someone to give me a deal, with numbers, that is "significantly" better than what was offered in Oct.

The pro-NHLPA crowd keeps ignoring it.
Best deal came when the full season was on the line. That is gone now.

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12-10-2012, 10:59 PM
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Mark Spector from www.sportsnet.ca is reporting the next meeting is Wednesday, undisclosed location.

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But but but...ALL the players in the PA are on the same page, solidified, united, behind Fehr 100%!

This can't be!!!

Must be a mis-quote
Saying both sides handled the negotiations poorly doesn't mean the players aren't on the same page, or going against Fehr. It just means he thinks the negotiations aren't going where they should be. Nothing against Fehr, or the PA's leadership, or unity of the union.

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12-10-2012, 11:02 PM
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I've read bits and pieces of innuendo on these boards about the whole Kelly mess but never saw the whole story, that article really shed light on what happened for me. Eric Lindros, good god

Among other things we'd have realignment too if Kelly was still there. The PA using THAT as an opening salvo really started the CBA war a year early.
I'm sure if you asked Lindros, the draft should be done away with.

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12-10-2012, 11:02 PM
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Mark Spector from www.sportsnet.ca is reporting the next meeting is Wednesday, undisclosed location.
After last weeks disaster im hoping it cant get much worse

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12-10-2012, 11:06 PM
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No. I'm not. I'm saying that unless there is some evidence to the contrary you have to assume that Fehr has the support of a majority of the players. You guys are just pulling stuff out of the air right now. It's like me saying a a majority of the owners are ready to turf Bettman. Can you prove they're not? Anyways I'm done. No doubt there wil be a big player uprising tomorrow to overthrow the shackles that Fehr has put on them. I need my rest.
How about this quote?


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"Si on votait sur la proposition des proprios, je pense que de 200 joueurs diraient oui, mais il fait faire confiance ŗ Fehr"-G. Latendresse
https://twitter.com/JFChaumont/statu...93276765519872

Traduction: ''If we were to vote on the NHL offer, I think around 200 players would say 'yes', but I think we should trust Fehr.''
-Guillaume Latendresse

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12-10-2012, 11:07 PM
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After last weeks disaster im hoping it cant get much worse
Being the optimist I am, I'm thinking that this is it. This is where the deal gets done.

Undisclosed, away from the media (as best as they can do to get away from them). Straight business. I think the NHLPA now knows it's at the end of the plank - and it's either get the deal done or time to go for a swim.

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Saying both sides handled the negotiations poorly doesn't mean the players aren't on the same page, or going against Fehr. It just means he thinks the negotiations aren't going where they should be. Nothing against Fehr, or the PA's leadership, or unity of the union.
You keep telling yourself that.

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http://nesn.com/2009/08/kelly-firing...l-never-learn/

This was 3 years ago. Very telling.
I remember when that happened, and I thought to myself "Self, there must be something wrong with Kelly that we don't know about, something Saskin-esque. There's no way they'd fire Kelly for a hard-liner after the Goodenow debacle".

Then they hired Fehr. I was wrong.

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12-10-2012, 11:08 PM
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How about this quote?


J-F Chaumont ‏@JFChaumont
"Si on votait sur la proposition des proprios, je pense que de 200 joueurs diraient oui, mais il fait faire confiance ŗ Fehr"-G. Latendresse
https://twitter.com/JFChaumont/statu...93276765519872

Traduction: ''If we were to vote on the NHL offer, I think around 200 players would say 'yes', but I think we should trust Fehr.''
-Guillaume Latendresse
Him speculating that a minority of the players would vote against Fehr somehow implies that Fehr doesn't have a majority of players behind him? 200 players is about 1 quarter of the union.

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Mark Spector from www.sportsnet.ca is reporting the next meeting is Wednesday, undisclosed location.
Must be a misprint. I'm pretty sure the NHL gave their final offer last time for about the fourth time. I supect that a deal will happen quickly once both sides move towards each others offer. The NHL has probbaly ealized that the union won't be broken. It was worth one last try though.

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12-10-2012, 11:10 PM
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where is this vote talk coming from???? What is there to vote on? There is no offer to vote for or against. Even if there were an offer on the table, Fehr and his tight group would have to agree to send it to vote. That won't happen...........EVER. His objective is to run the calender to the drop dead date( mid January) then vote to decertify. I honestly believe he has no intention of actual bargaining. He will continue to iritate the hell out of the owners until then.

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Roman Hamrlik just told me on http://nextsportstar.com that he would support the NHLPA taking a vote on the owners last offer.

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Roman Hamrlik, "we're losing time and I don't think a deal will be much better."

https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/...45239746449408
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Roman Hamrlik just told me on http://nextsportstar.com that he would support the NHLPA taking a vote on the owners last offer.

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Roman Hamrlik, "we're losing time and I don't think a deal will be much better."

https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/...45239746449408
https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/...50159031726080
That Hamrlik is such a bad guy.

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Well if the players can suck up to Gary and the owners and they can get this offer back on the table i think the lockout ends. Lets hope that happens or at least another good offer pops up Wednesday

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Fringe fans and kids will certainly be less interested. It will effect the NHLs bottom dollar.

Especially in markets in the states where there's heaps of other options.
You can't make an accurate assessment off this poll. It doesn't say if 20 people voted, 200, or 2 million. It also has no indication as to the demographics of who voted - bored teenagers, housewives, fanatic curling fans or hockey fans.

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Hall-of-Famer Slava Fetisov told Russian paper Sport-Express he's been told NHL will restrict players from playing in international games

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No idea if Fetisov's claim is accurate or not, but that'll be a big issue if the NHL tries to prevent players from playing in Olympics, etc.



https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...52243567247360
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...52445799800833

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Hamrlik on a vote, "maybe this week something is going to happen, we should see how many guys will be with or without them."

https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/...52606907215872

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