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12-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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So if that is the case play 50 games every year!
Less money for everyone! Hooray!

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The Leafs were actually tied for 8th place with the Devils around the 48 game mark.

Leafs finished in like 12th or 13th. Think the Caps were in 9th at that time, and they made the playoffs.
Here's the standings from around the 48 game mark.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...ate=01/24/2012

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12-10-2012, 06:08 PM
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The Leafs were actually tied for 8th place with the Devils around the 48 game mark.

Leafs finished in like 12th or 13th. Think the Caps were in 9th at that time, and they made the playoffs.
In my opinion, its needless to do these types of comparisons.

The games get tougher, and the better teams rise to the top, in the last month of a season. The same thing will happen in a 48 game or 82 game season.

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12-10-2012, 06:25 PM
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Less money for everyone! Hooray!
Exactly, but more Likely they will just charge you double per ticket.

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12-10-2012, 09:31 PM
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12-10-2012, 10:07 PM
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I'll put fourth a theory that I've been fooling around with lately. If nothing else I'll prove, once again, that I have no clue what I'm talking about.

Anyway, my thought is that hockey players are too well paid. I'm not saying that they are overpaid for the sport but I am saying that there are too many players who never dreamed they would be making as they are and are living below their means. Thus, much of their money is being put into investments for their future rather than being used to pay their daily living expenses. Once an individual believes his future is secure he no longer solely dwells on making money to purchase food, water, property, schooling, etc (thanks Maslow). I believe many players are at the stage of wanting to do what they believe earns them self respect (holding the line against owners demands) and are willing to forgo part of their earnings to accomplish this goal. Is there a limit to how much money the players will trade in an attempt to accomplish their goal? Clearly. How much? I don't know. The players are making a contribution they are not planning to retire permanently.

In this lockout... What did I fail to understand? That the players have as a whole have accumulated substantial funds (personally) and were prepared to take a stand which will cost them monetarily. Yes, they are the financial underdog in this battle but clearly not a group to earn anyone's sympathies. I'm now understanding that The owners made at least one clear blunder . They paid the players too much over the years and now it's coming back to haunt them.

Anyway, that's my thought. I probably reconsider my whole thesis tomorrow.

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12-10-2012, 10:48 PM
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Very good read. Of course Lindros was one of those greedy ********.

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12-10-2012, 11:00 PM
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**** Lindros. Never liked him, even when he was on the Rangers.

That article is a good read. Shows that there are only a small percentage of greedy ****ers running that Union. Mix that in with a small percentage of tight-fisted owners, and you got yourself the perfect work stoppage recipe!!

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**** Lindros. Never liked him, even when he was on the Rangers.

That article is a good read. Shows that there are only a small percentage of greedy ****ers running that Union. Mix that in with a small percentage of tight-fisted owners, and you got yourself the perfect work stoppage recipe!!
Yes, nothing shows the state of the current union like an article from three years ago.

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12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
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The end?

"@SportsnetSpec: Meeting tentatively set for Wednesday between NHLPA and NHL. Site TBA."

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12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
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The end?

"@SportsnetSpec: Meeting tentatively set for Wednesday between NHLPA and NHL. Site TBA."
LOL not the end. Just another point in this nightmare of a saga to hook us in only to be let down by greed.

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12-11-2012, 12:59 AM
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There is a meeting tentatively scheduled for Wednesday between the NHL and the NHLPA. Don't know in what city yet.
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NHL/NHLPA slated to resume talks Wednesday, sources on both sides say. Location unknown at this point.
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Wednesday the sides will once again dance...most likely Toronto, but possibly NY. Undecided..sounds like NHL is waiting on a lawyer..
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If I was the NHLPA then at the next meeting I say to the owners if Gary Bettman comes in then we are leaving. Bettman is a deal breaker
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12-11-2012, 04:59 AM
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Larry Brooks proposal

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Here’s the way it could be done without costing the owners so much as a cent outside of the 50/50 system:

Players bought out under this program before this season at either one-third or two-thirds depending upon their age could be re-signed only for the difference between the buyout amount and the full contract. The entire amount would count against the players’ collective share but the buyout team would not be charged a cap hit.

When a major league baseball player is picked up after being released, the new team pays only the league minimum while the original team is on the hook for the remainder of the contract. This would be similar in concept.

It would be a win-win. Players would be whole. The owners would collectively pay only what has already been committed. Some teams would add players at a bargain rate. And those teams caught in the transition vise would have at least a chance to comply without unwarranted suffering.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers


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12-11-2012, 05:06 AM
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Brooks should be the mediator for these meetings.

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12-11-2012, 06:22 AM
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In my opinion, its needless to do these types of comparisons.

The games get tougher, and the better teams rise to the top, in the last month of a season. The same thing will happen in a 48 game or 82 game season.
The teams that are healthiest usually win near the end. The winner of the Cup is mostly who is playing best in April.

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12-11-2012, 06:34 AM
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Interesting idea
The refusal to accept the compliance buyout is totally a small market demand imo. Makes no sense to the league as a whole.

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12-11-2012, 06:48 AM
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The end?

"@SportsnetSpec: Meeting tentatively set for Wednesday between NHLPA and NHL. Site TBA."
It's getting to the point where it will be one way or the other pretty soon.

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Brilliant idea, IMO. This is a seriously viable solution, to me at least.

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Happy anniversary! RT @TSNResearch: 20 years ago today. NHL Governors named Gary Bettman as the first NHL Commissioner in league history.
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12-11-2012, 08:14 AM
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Interesting idea
The refusal to accept the compliance buyout is totally a small market demand imo. Makes no sense to the league as a whole.
I think its just an issue of nobody, neither the PA nor a big group of owners, caring for it. If so, why expect it to be included?

The last time around we went from a uncapped environment to a capped environment, and there were many contracts out there that just didn't make sense under the cap. Hence a relativetly big number of players were bought out.

This time around, I think the numbers of players that would be bought up would be much fewer and the owners exercising the rights even fewer than that (I would imagine Philly would buy out a couple of players).

We have Redden, but not many other clubs have a contract like that...

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I'm also a fan of that proposal. Since Brooks is fairly popular, Bettman probably heard about this, right?

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Brilliant idea, IMO. This is a seriously viable solution, to me at least.
This is a variation of the concept that was floated about trading cap space and contract $$ is it not? The obvious difference is that the buyout team would need to find a partner first in the trade sceanrio, but the realtiy is that the buyout team would need to know there was a team willing to sign the player first anyway.

Redden bought out at 2/3. Rangers pay him roughly $4.4m and acquiring team pays him $2.2m but has entire cap hit count against them?
First of all, I am not sure how many (if any) teams in the league would be willing to play with the Rangers on that one. If the buyout is 1/3, nobody would be interested.

I am not sure this concept works in all cases.

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12-11-2012, 08:53 AM
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Brooks should be the mediator for these meetings.
Id probably pay 100$ to see those meetings be broadcast on PPV.

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Id probably pay 100$ to see those meetings be broadcast on PPV.
Would that money count as HRR?

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Brooks should be the mediator for these meetings.
For some reason I can't see the "canceller-in-chief" agreeing to that.

And as strange as it sound to hear Brooks suggest something that wouldn't benefit the players, why would they agree to that?

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