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Canada's biggest rival? USA or Russia

View Poll Results: Canada's biggest rival? USA or Russia
USA 83 37.90%
Russia 108 49.32%
too close to call 28 12.79%
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12-08-2012, 06:13 PM
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12-08-2012, 08:01 PM
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Well last year they were booing the Americans when they weren't even playing Canada. Don't remember that being done to the Ruskies.
It's a sign of insecurity. Take it as a compliment

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12-08-2012, 09:52 PM
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USA.. Can't stand em.

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12-08-2012, 11:30 PM
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For what I've seen; Canadians wants to beat Russians but doesn't wanna lose to US.

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12-10-2012, 12:41 AM
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Overall it is Russia, no doubt. This goes back to 1972 while the US goes back, maybe to 1991 at the earliest. Perhaps it wasn't until 1996 with the World Cup that the true rivalry started. So Russia has withstood the test of time with us.

I know one thing, that there is always this feeling in the air the day we play Russia that I never feel against any other country. It is a feeling that I've always got. I know that Russians are no longer "commies" but you know what, even in 2012, on the ice in an actual hockey game in my heart of heart they are still "commies" to me. I guess that's the power of hockey for you, it is just deep rooted.

The Americans are a clear #2 though. It isn't as if we don't hate them, because we do. But there has been less of a reason for us to hate them. They beat us in the World Cup in 1996 but until then we didn't really hate them because we weren't threatened by them. After that it wasn't until the 2004 WJC that we had another reason to truly hate them. Then of course 2010 again. Maybe in the Olympics there was some animosity as well. But Canada seems to win these battles more often than not. With Russia it goes in cycles. We all loved to see Ovechkin have to leave the game in the WJC in 2005. We also loved the 2010 Olympics because quite honestly the Russians seemed like the biggest threat.

I will still give the Russians the edge when it comes to my gut as to who the bigger rival is.

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12-10-2012, 09:43 PM
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For me it was always USA

but because of what has transpired in the last few years its Russia haha

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12-10-2012, 10:57 PM
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Overall it is Russia, no doubt. This goes back to 1972 while the US goes back, maybe to 1991 at the earliest. Perhaps it wasn't until 1996 with the World Cup that the true rivalry started. So Russia has withstood the test of time with us.

I know one thing, that there is always this feeling in the air the day we play Russia that I never feel against any other country. It is a feeling that I've always got. I know that Russians are no longer "commies" but you know what, even in 2012, on the ice in an actual hockey game in my heart of heart they are still "commies" to me. I guess that's the power of hockey for you, it is just deep rooted.

The Americans are a clear #2 though. It isn't as if we don't hate them, because we do. But there has been less of a reason for us to hate them. They beat us in the World Cup in 1996 but until then we didn't really hate them because we weren't threatened by them. After that it wasn't until the 2004 WJC that we had another reason to truly hate them. Then of course 2010 again. Maybe in the Olympics there was some animosity as well. But Canada seems to win these battles more often than not. With Russia it goes in cycles. We all loved to see Ovechkin have to leave the game in the WJC in 2005. We also loved the 2010 Olympics because quite honestly the Russians seemed like the biggest threat.

I will still give the Russians the edge when it comes to my gut as to who the bigger rival is.
Couldn't have put it better myself.

The USA is a Canadian hockey rival, Russia is Canada's hockey enemy.

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12-11-2012, 01:55 AM
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For what I've seen; Canadians wants to beat Russians but doesn't wanna lose to US.
This this this!

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12-11-2012, 02:21 AM
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USA, but a rivalry with Russia getting big. No matter what, their rivals will always be USA.

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12-11-2012, 04:02 AM
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USA, but a rivalry with Russia getting big. No matter what, their rivals will always be USA.
Russia rivals with the US?

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12-11-2012, 06:10 AM
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USA, but a rivalry with Russia getting big. No matter what, their rivals will always be USA.
Shades of 1984

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I feel like USA vs Canada has produced better moments. Certainly at the junior level. Every year the teams seem to outright despise each other which makes for more interesting games, IMO.

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12-11-2012, 04:08 PM
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I feel like USA vs Canada has produced better moments. Certainly at the junior level. Every year the teams seem to outright despise each other which makes for more interesting games, IMO.
I dunno, Canada-Russia the last two years have been two of the most exciting games I've watched at any level.

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12-11-2012, 04:11 PM
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I dunno, Canada-Russia the last two years have been two of the most exciting games I've watched at any level.


Absolutely. That collapse was one of the greatest things I've seen on ice.

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12-11-2012, 08:35 PM
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Russia because they always take Canada out.
America just because of history. I find that rivalry isn't as intense as the one with the Russians currently.

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Absolutely. That collapse was one of the greatest things I've seen on ice.
That's one ugly troll.

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12-11-2012, 08:48 PM
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Anyway, probably go with Russia, though USA has certainly been giving us some good moments the last few years in the WJC and Olympics.


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12-11-2012, 08:53 PM
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I think Russians are a lot more humble when they win. Losing to the Americans is like nails on a chalkboard. I just hate it so much.
This is true. I have cousins who grew up here but go to college in the States (UConn specifically), and they told me that when the U.S. beat Canada in the preliminary round of Olympic hockey, all their U.S. college friends were chirping them hardcore, including many people who had never watched hockey before or cared about it at all. Though obviously once Canada won gold they shut up.

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12-11-2012, 11:34 PM
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I say US,

Here is a semi OT question though.

Do you see any of the other big 7 teams having a 2nd rival?

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12-12-2012, 12:02 AM
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The Russians, it's their style of hockey vs. Ours

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For what I've seen; Canadians wants to beat Russians but doesn't wanna lose to US.
Well put :p

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12-12-2012, 02:21 AM
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I say US,

Here is a semi OT question though.

Do you see any of the other big 7 teams having a 2nd rival?
Czechs vs Slovaks and Russians. Less so now than in 1998, but still.

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12-12-2012, 02:23 AM
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This is true. I have cousins who grew up here but go to college in the States (UConn specifically), and they told me that when the U.S. beat Canada in the preliminary round of Olympic hockey, all their U.S. college friends were chirping them hardcore, including many people who had never watched hockey before or cared about it at all. Though obviously once Canada won gold they shut up.
It's also true that there are extremely annoying Canadian fans.

The difference seems to be that the more passionate the Canadian fan, the more obnoxious he/she is (although usually it's a he).

The less passionate and knowledge the American fan, the more obnoxious he/she is. (Again, so few female fans are obnoxious, as it seems to be a male trait.

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Czechs vs Slovaks and Russians. Less so now than in 1998, but still.
Yeah, I guess you can call Czech-Russia a rivalry. 3 WC/Olympic finals off the top of my head. Probably a few more

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12-12-2012, 03:15 AM
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I say US,

Here is a semi OT question though.

Do you see any of the other big 7 teams having a 2nd rival?
FIN vs SWE, western neighbor and once we were part Sweden.
FIN vs RUS, eastern neighbor and once we were part Russia.

Those reasons are as good as any to create rivalry.

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FIN vs SWE, western neighbor and once we were part Sweden.
FIN vs RUS, eastern neighbor and once we were part Russia.

Those reasons are as good as any to create rivalry.
Fair enough

Everyone has at least 1 rival, but I guess I never thought of some of the European nation relations for rivalries beside the obvious Fin-Swe Slo-Cze

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