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Tampa Bay Prospect Pool - Underrated?

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12-09-2012, 07:43 PM
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I came in thinking that Tampa's pool was good, not great, but good. It's about what I'm taking from this thread too and some further research myself. Obviously I don't have the required scouting to make the judgement but I would say they are rated just fine, not over/under imo

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12-09-2012, 07:47 PM
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I'd say they're underrated because they're not big name prospects. Most people wouldn't know them, therefore think they're not that good.

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12-09-2012, 08:00 PM
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For the record, my three included Lindback (Not really a prospect I know but I consider him one due to the situation, eh), Helenius, and Vasilevsky.

Vasil is going to be the guy. He is going to be the franchise goalie we have never really had.

Obviously goaltending is extremely hard to predict. Its really just an opinion based on educated guesses. Dont read too much into it.

Its like me saying Connolly will be a 40 goal scorer on the regular in the NHL. Which by the way Im not on that hype train. 30, probably. But in the end its just a guess because with a very very very small exception to the rule, prospects are prospects because there is potential and the goal is to find the ones who reach that potential.

We shall see, but one thing I think is definitely not up for debate. The fact that we have the best prospect pool we have ever had as a franchise right now. So its exciting to think of the future.

Your not kidding about the pool though, these guys make me drool. Panik, Johnson, Conacher, Kucherov, Namestnikov....all these guys have me really excited for the future. Who was our best prospect that we home grown in our history...Kubina? (I won't consider Richards, didn't spend a day in the minors. Product of the CHL and was ridiculously under-rated in his draft year. Other than those two...who was it? Blair Jones? Jesus that's terribad for 20 years of development. The list that we have I firmly believe at least 5 guys will be better than all of our previous development other than maybe Kubina.....Really excited about our future....Now if only we can get the season started.....

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12-09-2012, 10:30 PM
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That is not anywhere close to stacked.

They are severely overrated on here.
is there an article or a thread besides this one?

Having assembled the best team in the AHL last year, with the Defenseman of the year, Player and Rookie of the Year should earn some cred don't you think?

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12-09-2012, 10:34 PM
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Barberio was in his second AHL season when he put up those numbers, Subban was in his first, and yet there numbers are similar. As well Subban then came up from hamilton that year and played as the defacto number 1 during a deep playoff run. That's why people know and Hype Subban over Barberio, who looks like he'll be a good number 3 or number 4.

On to what your saying,

I actually think Tampa's a little overrated, I do like Barberio, and Vaseliveski, but a lot of their higher potential guys have a lot of question marks. Yes, there's always the chance they always pan out, but that's doubtful. Personally I think there view a little to highly but that's my opinion.
Can't argue that for a 6th round pick Barberio exceeded expectations. On D we lack any high end top 2 prospects. But there are a couple 3-4, and few solid 5-7 NHL caliber prospects there.

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12-10-2012, 12:14 AM
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Now factor in their G prospects Tokarski, Janus and Vasilevski(who IMO is the top goalie prospect in the game).
Markstrom says sup.

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12-10-2012, 06:44 AM
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Whats so special about Alex Hutchings?

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12-10-2012, 07:12 AM
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Whats so special about Alex Hutchings?
Nothing he doesn't factor in the top prospects of the team (OP isn't a Lightning fan) but he is a potential depth player.

My top 4 at each position would be:

LW
Conacher
Killorn
Palat
Gusev

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Johnson
Namestnikov
Mullin
Peca

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Panik
Brown
Kucherov
Hart

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Koekkoek
Barberio
Gudas
Nesterov

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Vasilevski
Tokarski
Janus
Wilcox

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12-10-2012, 07:36 AM
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Panik has everything to be a star

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12-10-2012, 08:56 AM
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Panik has everything to be a star
Not possible....he wasn't a 1st round pick!

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Not possible....he wasn't a 1st round pick!
I really hope you're kidding

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Absolutely. I think they have a top-5 prospect pool. But no one gives them any props because they aren't sexy names and no one's seen them play.

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I really hope you're kidding
Trust me he was. He dropped due to his consistency, and teams were afraid he didn't have the mental make up to be a pro player. He has 1st round talent for sure, and he got his head on straight. He's banging on the NHL front door right now, and if they weren't closed for business he would be a front runner to make the Bolts.

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12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
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i think tyler johnson is really underrated

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12-10-2012, 10:07 PM
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I really hope you're kidding
Completely.

Panik has everything, speed, skill, grit, hockey iq, clutch scoring etc etc

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To a certain extent, yes.

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Trust me he was. He dropped due to his consistency, and teams were afraid he didn't have the mental make up to be a pro player. He has 1st round talent for sure, and he got his head on straight. He's banging on the NHL front door right now, and if they weren't closed for business he would be a front runner to make the Bolts.
I hope he's matured since his Bulls days. Never met a bigger ********* in my life.

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I see alot of boom/bust.. alot of talent, but alot of guys that could very easily end up being career AHLers or going back to/staying in Russia.
This is a lot of it.

Yzerman as a GM disregards the factor of injury and the "Russia" factor quite a bit, instead preferring to go with high upside players. How strong their pool is will depend on how heavily this factor weighs in one's mind. They could easily have great players in Koekkoek, Connolly, and Vasilevski...but they could just as easily bust or never see the NHL.

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This is a lot of it.

Yzerman as a GM disregards the factor of injury and the "Russia" factor quite a bit, instead preferring to go with high upside players. How strong their pool is will depend on how heavily this factor weighs in one's mind. They could easily have great players in Koekkoek, Connolly, and Vasilevski...but they could just as easily bust or never see the NHL.
However, there is also a lot of "safer" players. Like Johnson and Conacher and Barberio who are almost assured of NHL rosters spots sooner than later.

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12-11-2012, 01:21 AM
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However, there is also a lot of "safer" players. Like Johnson and Conacher and Barberio who are almost assured of NHL rosters spots sooner than later.
None of those guys are "assured" of anything

They are all decent players for sure but none of them are complete studs that you can say will absolutely make an NHL roster

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12-11-2012, 02:20 AM
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None of those guys are "assured" of anything

They are all decent players for sure but none of them are complete studs that you can say will absolutely make an NHL roster
What are you talking about. One doesn't have to be a stud to make an NHL roster.

They'll make an NHL roster very soon. All 3 of them. They have nothing more to prove in the AHL.

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12-11-2012, 02:28 AM
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What are you talking about. One doesn't have to be a stud to make an NHL roster.

They'll make an NHL roster very soon. All 3 of them. They have nothing more to prove in the AHL.
I think he was referencing as becoming a star...in which case, I think Conacher may reach that status, but he may also not. Johnson I think will be a solid player, same with Barberio who will top out in my mind as a 2/3 inbetween guy. Though with that said I would like to name drop a few on him that is loaded with star level skill.

Kucherov, Connolly and Panik. If they bust, they bust....if they make it, they will make it big.

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No. Not really. They're below average, but not as bad as some people think

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What are you talking about. One doesn't have to be a stud to make an NHL roster.

They'll make an NHL roster very soon. All 3 of them. They have nothing more to prove in the AHL.
They will obviously all at least get some NHL games in at some point, that's not the point I was trying to make

The real question is whether they can stick there and be future staples of your team

And as I said before none of the three guys you mentioned are currently good enough to be considered locks to be on an NHL roster in 3-5 years

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if Conacher was a Ranger/Leaf/DRW etc he would be getting overhyped senselessly around here make no mistake about it

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