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12-10-2012, 07:15 PM
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not sure if this has been mentioned before and I missed it but does he still need to do his military duties or can he move to the states next season if the team requests him to.

thanks and nice post above me thomast

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12-10-2012, 07:40 PM
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not sure if this has been mentioned before and I missed it but does he still need to do his military duties or can he move to the states next season if the team requests him to.

thanks and nice post above me thomast
It's not a problem. You have to fulfill your military duty before you're 28 and he can do it during summer break as Mikko Koivu did just last summer.

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12-10-2012, 07:43 PM
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not sure if this has been mentioned before and I missed it but does he still need to do his military duties or can he move to the states next season if the team requests him to.

thanks and nice post above me thomast
Thanks alot! Finnish military system is joke for pro athletes. Mikko Koivu completed it at this summer in few weeks. It will not ruin Barkovs plans to come over or affect on his career in any way.

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not sure if this has been mentioned before and I missed it but does he still need to do his military duties or can he move to the states next season if the team requests him to.

thanks and nice post above me thomast
I had read that he doesn't have to serve in the military because he's a dual citizen, but that may not be true.

Either way, serving won't get in the way of him playing in the NHL.

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12-10-2012, 07:50 PM
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So who's the comparable for Barkov? Thornton? Kopitar?

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thanks guys.

Just didn't know if he had plans to stay, similar to how Granlund did... but Granlund had other reasons for staying than just his "duties"

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12-10-2012, 07:56 PM
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So who's the comparable for Barkov? Thornton? Kopitar?
From what I've seen, I like Kopitar with better defensive awareness.

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12-10-2012, 08:00 PM
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Barkov updated measurements:

http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/306/IHM3060FIN_32E_1_0.pdf

6'3/190cm
209lbs/95kg

Pretty big kid for couple months over 17 year old. His height growing have been quite slow in recent year so projecting him at 6'4 would be quite accurate. Barkov has only touched the surface of his potential physical developement according to his personal trainer who is former stanley cup champion Ville Nieminen. Despite he is outpowering clear majority of men at FEL he seems to have potential to be quite much stronger.

Would too much muscle benefit his game? If he would be 230-240 physical beast would it be good?

I would like to see him as 6'4 220-225lbs in the future with excellent skating(doubt that he ever reaches elite level but tier below that is possible), with good mobility on every direction, great balance and explosiveness. Too big muscles tend to be more injury prone, needs more rest and it's added weight to carry on when he skates.

Barkov is very lean kid. He will most likely end up as 6'4 230+lbs and would have similar strength and balance as Jagr and i'm not kidding... He is that strong. Barkov Sr had excellent balance and was almost impossible to knock off from the puck.

Barkov is right now very underrated skater. When he skates his skating position is excellent, stride is long and smooth and once he get into full speed he is fast. Difference between this and last year is very very big. Imagine him after next offseason when he has 1 year more experience of his body and work as hard at this offseason on his leg strength it's matter of time that he reaches excellent level of skating. If we compare him to Granlund at his draft year Barkov is faster and better skater than Granlund(5'10 176lbs) was and he's 6'3 209lbs. I would say that Barkov is definetly great skater for his size.

Barkov has just very high potential and ceiling. Figure out an 6'4 220-240 whos great skater, very very hard to knock off the puck, is hungry for garbage goals and has nose for net(try to defend against him infront of net at the rebounds with that much strength, size and will that he posesses), is elite passer and has elite vision, has russian smooth quick hands in the tight and can snipe it to top corner. Just complete offensive package.

Not to forget his defensive game which is just as complete and as amazing.

I'm not comparing him to other prospects because i'm obviously biased but i'm trying to open eyes for NA posters that Barkov is an special prospect for european standards.

He will be high draft pick no doubt about it. Why do i think so?

In a nutshell:
-Very high upside/ceiling
-No real weaknesses in his game but alot of elite/excellent qualities.
-Instant income for the team and is definetly NHL-ready by next october despite of being one of the youngest prospects for this draft.
-Very low risk/Very high win pick. Definetly one of the safest pick of this draft.
-Already played against men for 2 years by next october and now against NHLers because lockout makes it possible. Has outplayed many of the NHL players.
-Excellent at PK, PP, SO. Great two-way game. Can play at every situation in the game. So the team get already polished player who has been #1 center for pro team logging about 20minutes per game playing in every situation and crucial parts of the game.
-Plays already NA style game and has nose for net. Very quick head and hands added to that body. He'll be closer to goal in small rink. I would say that he would benefit playing on small rink. Looked pretty good for 16 year old at WJC in a small rink.

I don't see any reasons that why he isn't an high pick for this draft. There might be better prospects than him at the draft but i'm just happy that there is Barkov calibre of prospect out from Finland. Barkov could be very well the best player of this draft in the future.
Great post, thanks for the insight! Barkov's definitely turning some heads over here. Neck and neck with MacKinnon for me.

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I think the only recent prospect that I know of who played first line center on a pro team before being drafted is Nick Backstrom. Would anyone who has seen both during their draft year care to make a comparison between the two during their draft year ?

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12-11-2012, 02:58 AM
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Barkov updated measurements:

http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/306/IHM3060FIN_32E_1_0.pdf

6'3/190cm
209lbs/95kg
I wouldn't put too much stock in measurements at IIHF site.
For example, this year during WJC-U18 they listed Calle Andersson as 6'1'', 201, but at the NHL Draft combine 2 months later he was 6'2.25'' and 211.
Same goes with
Hampus Lindholm - 6'2'', 185 according to IIHF and then 6'3'', 195 at the combine.
Andrei Vasilevski - 6'3'', 183 by IIHF - 6'3'', 210 by NHL
Brendan Gaunce - 6'0'', 212 (IIHF) - 6'1.75'', 207 (NHL)
Daniil Zharkov - 6'2'', 179 (IIHF) - 6'3.5'', 207 (NHL)
Olli Maata - 6'2'', 198 (from WJC-U20) - 6'1'', 204 (NHL)
Tomas Hertl - 6'0'', 187 (from WJC-U20) - 6'2.25'', 198 (NHL)
Esa Lindell - 6'2'', 190 (IIHF) - 6'3'', 187 (NHL)

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12-11-2012, 04:50 AM
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I wouldn't put too much stock in measurements at IIHF site.
For example, this year during WJC-U18 they listed Calle Andersson as 6'1'', 201, but at the NHL Draft combine 2 months later he was 6'2.25'' and 211.
Same goes with
Hampus Lindholm - 6'2'', 185 according to IIHF and then 6'3'', 195 at the combine.
Andrei Vasilevski - 6'3'', 183 by IIHF - 6'3'', 210 by NHL
Brendan Gaunce - 6'0'', 212 (IIHF) - 6'1.75'', 207 (NHL)
Daniil Zharkov - 6'2'', 179 (IIHF) - 6'3.5'', 207 (NHL)
Olli Maata - 6'2'', 198 (from WJC-U20) - 6'1'', 204 (NHL)
Tomas Hertl - 6'0'', 187 (from WJC-U20) - 6'2.25'', 198 (NHL)
Esa Lindell - 6'2'', 190 (IIHF) - 6'3'', 187 (NHL)
Most of them which are above seem to be out of the date but mostly they are quite accurate.

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Most of them which are above seem to be out of the date but mostly they are quite accurate.
Maybe, but sometimes their measurements look quite strange.
I recall once at the WC they listed Ovechkin as 212 lbs and in one year somehow he went down to 198.

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thanks guys.

Just didn't know if he had plans to stay, similar to how Granlund did... but Granlund had other reasons for staying than just his "duties"

thanks again
Granlund's duties didn't prevent him from coming over. He was in army only 5 more days than Koivu.

It was more about all the other bullcrap and that year was probably good for he's development in a long run though it didn't end well.

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12-11-2012, 02:33 PM
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Maybe, but sometimes their measurements look quite strange.
I recall once at the WC they listed Ovechkin as 212 lbs and in one year somehow he went down to 198.
IIHF doesn't measure the players themselves but rely on stats from the individual federations. The federations either get stats from club teams or measure the players at the first camps which take place in the summer. So it's perfectly understandable if a junior player has grown during a year.

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IIHF doesn't measure the players themselves but rely on stats from the individual federations. The federations either get stats from club teams or measure the players at the first camps which take place in the summer. So it's perfectly understandable if a junior player has grown during a year.
Especially when that player is only 17...in fact turned 17 just a few months ago. Considering men tend to grow later on average (its not unnormal too see guys grow at 18, 19, 20)...

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IIHF doesn't measure the players themselves but rely on stats from the individual federations. The federations either get stats from club teams or measure the players at the first camps which take place in the summer. So it's perfectly understandable if a junior player has grown during a year.
In Sweden they just have to send in a sheet of the players' measurements, could basically put anything they'd like on there.

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12-13-2012, 08:24 AM
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Aleksander Barkov will play against strong SEL club in the QF of european trophy final tournament Red Bull Salute. His team tappara won their Groupstage and plays against HV71.

Stream:
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/ice-hockey.html

Tappara-HV71 starts in about 2 hours and 30minutes from
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Any finnish poster know if Barkov will be playing with Tappara against Ässät on 18th, or will he be already preparing for WJC?

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Any finnish poster know if Barkov will be playing with Tappara against Ässät on 18th, or will he be already preparing for WJC?
He will play against Ässät and will be part of Tappara in all (hopefully) upcoming European Trophy games too.

Barkov just assisted Tappara's game tying goal against HV71 in European Trophy quarter final game. Goal was scored by Antti Erkinjuntti.

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He will play against Ässät and will be part of Tappara in all (hopefully) upcoming European Trophy games too.
Got source for this?

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Tappara won 2-1 and is heading to SF Barkov had 1 assist in the game if i'm not wrong.

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Yep he got 0+1 and that was a beaty one across attack zone (corner to blue line)

edit: sinettiseura is right about this. Nieminen made that pass.


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Yep he got 0+1 and that was a beaty one across attack zone (corner to blue line)
If I saw correctly it was Nieminen who made the pass so 0+0 for Barkov today. Wasn't his best game but he was ok defensively.

Can't wait to see him against Canada in Vantaa next week... and of course in WJC.

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I'd like the posters who are following Barkov on a week-to-week basis to discuss how much of an advantage his frame and "ready" body has on him being further ahead than all but a couple of guys in the world in his age group. This has often been a problem with Swedish prospects as the physically mature ones have been exposed to men's league action earlier and excelled due to the fact that they're more ready and better equipped to handle it.

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I'd like the posters who are following Barkov on a week-to-week basis to discuss how much of an advantage his frame and "ready" body has on him being further ahead than all but a couple of guys in the world in his age group. This has often been a problem with Swedish prospects as the physically mature ones have been exposed to men's league action earlier and excelled due to the fact that they're more ready and better equipped to handle it.
Sure it helps him succeed; but IMO even if he would be like Joel Armia when he broke into SM-liiga (so basically a pole), he would still be able to play at a high level. He's so smart that I think he could succeed playing a play style that would fit a weaker version of him too.

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