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12-04-2012, 01:37 PM
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In what way? Smith is accurate, has arm strength, and can make all the throws. His deep ball is amazing.
Every single physical tool Smith has, Bray has him beat.

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12-04-2012, 06:23 PM
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Every single physical tool Smith has, Bray has him beat.
Such as?

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Carolina game is a no shot 10 AM start, the Raiders are horrid in those and have been for years. Also have serious problems vs running QB. If I'm the Raiders I shut Palmer down after the upcoming ass kicking by Denver and stick Pryor in there against KC to ensure a loss, but at this point the Raiders only real chance of winning a game is against the Chiefs...I like our chances to pick top three.
KC's last 10 games at Oakland: 9-1

1st overall draft pick, here we come (come on Jacksonville, win two more games)

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12-04-2012, 07:48 PM
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Such as?
Arm strength, speed, physical strength, and height.

Bray also has him on things like touch and decision making

Smith couldn't put up the numbers he did in the SEC, much less on a team like UT that had Bray having to score on every drive against SEC defenses.

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12-04-2012, 09:43 PM
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Every single physical tool Smith has, Bray has him beat.
Many of us UT fans wouldn't shed many tears if Bray went to the NFL after this year. He got progressively worse during the season, to the point where being able to consistently hit a guy on a 10-yard out seemed to be an incredible feat.

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12-04-2012, 10:00 PM
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Smith couldn't put up the numbers he did in the SEC, much less on a team like UT that had Bray having to score on every drive against SEC defenses.
What do you mean at a team like UT? The Vols had a good offensive line, three good receivers(two of which will be high picks), and a solid TE. They had problems on defense but they had plenty of talent on offense. Geno Smith would put up good numbers there, it's not like Bray carried a bunch of scrubs on his back. Bray has physical tools but he's a mental midget. From your posts it doesn't sound like you've watched any of his games if you think he has speed and is a good decision maker.

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12-05-2012, 09:08 AM
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Arm strength, speed, physical strength, and height.

Bray also has him on things like touch and decision making

Smith couldn't put up the numbers he did in the SEC, much less on a team like UT that had Bray having to score on every drive against SEC defenses.
Size is obvious. Arm strength is debatable. If Bray has the edge there it isn't by much at all like you claim. Smith is more mobile, no contest.

And the touch and decision making are laughable at best. You don't have a ~10% difference in completion % and win the touch/accuracy argument. We haven't even touched on character or off the field issues. Bray is notoriously ... shaky in that department. Never seen Smith pulled from a game like Bray was this year.

And Smith did just fine against LSU last year. Against what was widely regarded as the best defense in college. It's not like Smith has had any semblance of a running game the last 2 years to deflect attention from him.

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12-05-2012, 12:42 PM
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Just don't pick Te'o. I don't want him to die from the team never winning.
I wouldn't take him at #2, but if somehow we trade down, I'd take him in the 5-7 range. Him and Posluszny could be sick.

And don't forget we still got Brian Bosworth's newphew. That'd be an elite set of LB's

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How bad is Jones' Setnosis? when I first heard about it I thought he'd take a bit of a dip like Barkley did, but I keep seeing reputable mock drafts have him going 2nd OA, I even found one that had him going first?

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12-10-2012, 12:05 PM
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Updated:

#1 KC (2-11) - .485 SOS
#2 JAC (2-11) - .557 SOS
#3 OAK (3-10) - .497 SOS
#4 PHI (4-9) - .497 SOS
#5 CAR (4-9) - .550 SOS
#6 TEN (4-9) - .554 SOS
#7 DET (4-9) - .560 SOS
#8 ARI (4-9) - .563 SOS

KC @ OAK is pretty much a battle for the #1 pick next Sunday.

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12-10-2012, 01:58 PM
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#1 KC (2-11) - .485 SOS
#2 JAC (2-11) - .557 SOS
#3 OAK (3-10) - .497 SOS
#4 PHI (4-9) - .497 SOS
#5 CAR (4-9) - .550 SOS
#6 TEN (4-9) - .554 SOS
#7 DET (4-9) - .560 SOS
#8 ARI (4-9) - .563 SOS

KC @ OAK is pretty much a battle for the #1 pick next Sunday.
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12-10-2012, 03:49 PM
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#1 KC (2-11) - .485 SOS
#2 JAC (2-11) - .557 SOS
#3 OAK (3-10) - .497 SOS
#4 PHI (4-9) - .497 SOS
#5 CAR (4-9) - .550 SOS
#6 TEN (4-9) - .554 SOS
#7 DET (4-9) - .560 SOS
#8 ARI (4-9) - .563 SOS

KC @ OAK is pretty much a battle for the #1 pick next Sunday.
KC still has the tiebreaker over Oakland even if they beat Oakland.

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12-10-2012, 05:14 PM
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Plus the Jags are @Miami, host New England, then @Tennessee. I don't see them winning any of those games.

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12-10-2012, 05:20 PM
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KC still has the tiebreaker over Oakland even if they beat Oakland.
Not by my count.

They have the same schedule for 14 games, it leaves 2 games that are different:

Chiefs had/have Bills and Colts, currently 14 wins combined.

Raiders had Dolphins and Jaguars, currently 7 wins combined.

If they are tied, Chiefs will have higher SOS as a result, Raiders would be picking ahead KC.

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12-10-2012, 07:01 PM
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Let's go Chiefs!!

We will lose to the Fish and we always go 1-1 with Tennessee, so that's a loss, but I have a weird feeling we're gonna get New England's 'C' team as they rest for playoffs, so I got a feeling we're gonna win that, or at least keep it close.

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12-10-2012, 07:18 PM
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Let's go Chiefs!!

We will lose to the Fish and we always go 1-1 with Tennessee, so that's a loss, but I have a weird feeling we're gonna get New England's 'C' team as they rest for playoffs, so I got a feeling we're gonna win that, or at least keep it close.
Pats rest? Que?

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12-10-2012, 10:53 PM
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Pats rest? Que?
I know sounds crazy, but I got a weird feeling in my gut they won't show up that game. Could be gas tho

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I know sounds crazy, but I got a weird feeling in my gut they won't show up that game. Could be gas tho
Lol, that game could go into deciding the #1 seed, so I think they'll show.

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12-11-2012, 10:32 AM
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Not by my count.

They have the same schedule for 14 games, it leaves 2 games that are different:

Chiefs had/have Bills and Colts, currently 14 wins combined.

Raiders had Dolphins and Jaguars, currently 7 wins combined.

If they are tied, Chiefs will have higher SOS as a result, Raiders would be picking ahead KC.
SOS is based on last year's results so it was already determined at the start of the year that KC has the easier schedule.

The rules are completely retarded. KC could end up 2-0 vs Oakland and have the same record but get the higher pick due to the teams they played this year being weaker last year than the teams Oakland played this year. Makes a lot of sense.

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SOS as a tiebreaker is always based on the current season as the previous season is irrelevant.

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Gonna be an interesting draft. Other than Geno, no offensive player might go in the top 10.

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Gonna be an interesting draft. Other than Geno, no offensive player might go in the top 10.
I'd say other than Joeckel

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12-12-2012, 04:48 PM
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Not by my count.

They have the same schedule for 14 games, it leaves 2 games that are different:

Chiefs had/have Bills and Colts, currently 14 wins combined.

Raiders had Dolphins and Jaguars, currently 7 wins combined.

If they are tied, Chiefs will have higher SOS as a result, Raiders would be picking ahead KC.
You are correct. I thought the SOS in the earlier post already took into account future opponents.

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I'd say other than Joeckel
Chance Warmack may end up in the top 10. Teams usually don't draft guards very high but he may be the most dominant player for his position in the draft. He's a very safe pick.

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Chance Warmack may end up in the top 10. Teams usually don't draft guards very high but he may be the most dominant player for his position in the draft. He's a very safe pick.
He's very, very good too. I wouldn't be surprised.

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