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MVP Talk (poll updated Dec 12)

View Poll Results: Who's your pick for NFL MVP?
Adrian Peterson 70 64.22%
Peyton Manning 25 22.94%
Tom Brady 12 11.01%
Other 2 1.83%
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11-26-2012, 03:34 PM
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He didn't nail anything.

-Brady has two great TEs in Gronk and Hernandez. Manning has Dreesen and Tamme. Huge edge Brady.
-Brady has Welker and Lloyd. Manning has Decker and actually makes DT look competent.
-Brady has Stevan Ridley, Manning has a stable of mediocrity.

By the definition of the award MVP, Manning has the edge.

Brady absolutely deserves consideration in the sense that he should be a "finalist", but unless he vastly outperforms Manning the rest of the season, he doesn't deserve it over him.
Ok, well I basically agree with most of what you've posted here. Not sure how any of it invalidates the post I quoted, but whatever.

Manning will no doubt have the edge on Brady if their stats end up being about as similar as they are now, for the reasons you've listed. In fact, I'd go as far as saying Brady will have to put up significantly better numbers to overtake Manning as MVP. What I'm getting at is if the Patriots are undefeated to this point (and considering the way they lost their 3 games, that's not a huge stretch), then where does that place Brady? My guess is that at worst he's neck and neck with Manning for MVP consideration.

Would be pretty hard to overlook the best player on an undefeated team.

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11-26-2012, 04:16 PM
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Nothing but pure speculation but I highly doubt it.

Cutler is used to playing with what he has in front of him. Campbell obviously wasnt.

A healthy Cutler and the Bears win both of their recent losses. He is that valuble.
Even with the gift touchdown, the Bears lost by 25. There is no way Cutler would make that difference up on his own. The 49ers didn't turn over the ball and give the Bears free points, which they need to beat good teams.

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11-26-2012, 04:36 PM
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MVP should go to either Manning (Denver already matched their win total from last season with 5 games to go) or Peterson should Minnesota somehow sneak into the playoffs

Honorable mentions: Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers

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11-26-2012, 04:47 PM
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He didn't nail anything.

-Brady has two great TEs in Gronk and Hernandez. Manning has Dreesen and Tamme. Huge edge Brady.
-Brady has Welker and Lloyd. Manning has Decker and actually makes DT look competent.
-Brady has Stevan Ridley, Manning has a stable of mediocrity.

By the definition of the award MVP, Manning has the edge.

Brady absolutely deserves consideration in the sense that he should be a "finalist", but unless he vastly outperforms Manning the rest of the season, he doesn't deserve it over him.
What do you mean by this? The only thing holding Thomas back were the injuries and mental mistakes. He has the talent to be one of the best WRs in the league and he has shown that this season. Obviously having Manning throwing him the ball helps but he has also helped Manning a lot. IMO, Thomas is better than Welker, Lloyd, and Decker. This isn't just another case of Manning making a WR look good (eg. Collie).

I agree with you about the Manning vs Brady MVP discussion. Manning is doing more with less around him. My vote would go to Manning.

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11-26-2012, 05:36 PM
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He had accomplished next to nothing in the previous 2 seasons. He didn't explode until they got Manning

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11-26-2012, 07:24 PM
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I change my vote to Peyton. With Ryan and Peterson 2nd and 3rd.

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11-27-2012, 03:57 PM
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He didn't nail anything.

-Brady has two great TEs in Gronk and Hernandez. Manning has Dreesen and Tamme. Huge edge Brady.
-Brady has Welker and Lloyd. Manning has Decker and actually makes DT look competent.
-Brady has Stevan Ridley, Manning has a stable of mediocrity.

By the definition of the award MVP, Manning has the edge.

Brady absolutely deserves consideration in the sense that he should be a "finalist", but unless he vastly outperforms Manning the rest of the season, he doesn't deserve it over him.
Hernandez has been hurt most of the year, Gronk is hurt right now (and Brady had a great game without him last Thursday) and Lloyd doesn't do a whole lot. Ridley is a good back, but he isn't a superstar.

Sure, Brady has a better supporting cast, but he helps these guys just like Manning helps the players around him tremendously. Where would Wes Welker be without Tom Brady? Would Ridley get as many open lanes without the defense having to worry about an HOF QB? Would Gronk and Hernandez have developed as fast as they did if they were playing with a mediocre QB?

I'm not saying that Manning shouldn't win the MVP, I'm just saying that I'm very surprised that a player that has nearly identical stats doesn't receive more attention when it comes to the MVP debate. I'm a Patriots fan, so I would vote for Brady out of pure homerism, but let's be honest, it is kind of surprising that he doesn't get more consideration.

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11-30-2012, 03:31 PM
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... you do realize that Watt is only 1.5 sacks behind Miller despite playing as a 3-4 end?

What Watt is doing is unprecedented.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...c-ee09ee32910a

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12-02-2012, 10:39 AM
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I think most believe the race right now is between Brady and Manning.

Both having great seasons but I'll go with my boy Brady

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12-11-2012, 06:54 PM
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@mortreport: MVP race with three weeks left: Brady, Peterson and P. Manning. Yes, there are others to mention but that's the race down the stretch #NFL32
I'm guessing the Vikings will have to make the playoffs for Peterson to win. IMO, he should be a lock for MVP if they make the playoffs. However, that seems unlikely so it'll be between Manning and Brady. I'm still going with Manning.

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12-11-2012, 07:28 PM
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Vikings shouldnt have to make the playoffs for peterson to win the mvp

The vikes not having a qb and the team on the brink of .500 says allot about him.

But since this is a qb league, i wouldnt be surprised in the least if Manning or Brady won it.

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12-11-2012, 08:18 PM
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Vikings shouldnt have to make the playoffs for peterson to win the mvp
As a Packers fan, I agree. What Peterson is doing is ridiculous. Teams basically say, okay let's stop Peterson and make Ponder beat us yet nobody can stop Peterson. The fact that he's doing this 7 months after he tore his ACL and has a decent shot to break 2,000 yards is amazing.

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12-11-2012, 08:37 PM
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AP is the mvp as of now. Replace him with Gerhart all season and that team has 1-2 wins.

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As a Packers fan, I agree. What Peterson is doing is ridiculous. Teams basically say, okay let's stop Peterson and make Ponder beat us yet nobody can stop Peterson. The fact that he's doing this 7 months after he tore his ACL and has a decent shot to break 2,000 yards is amazing.
Agreed. Peterson should at least be in the top 3 for MVP talk but since people look at QB more than RB (given the impact RB have on a team), Peterson isn't talked about much.

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AP is the mvp as of now. Replace him with Gerhart all season and that team has 1-2 wins.
1-2? We would be lucky to win 1.

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12-11-2012, 09:02 PM
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1-2? We would be lucky to win 1.
They would have won that game vs SF without him. Peterson wasn't great in that game (3.6 avg/0 td's). Ponder actually played very well and the Vikes DL took it to SF's OL.

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12-11-2012, 09:03 PM
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I'd throw my vote in for AP. Guy is just unreal.

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I voted for Manning early on, but if I could change my vote It would be AP.
He has basically carried that team. He has more rushing yards then Ponder has passing yards. Think about that. In this new NFL where its really become a pass first league AP has just killed it.
Another thing too is AP plays in a much tougher division then Brady and Manning. Even if they are in contention to the end and fall just short I still would give it to him.
Minnesota is a 1 or 2 win team without him.

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12-12-2012, 12:27 AM
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^ Furthermore, you know Peterson is going after you, so you can stack your entire team against him and they do. But they can't stop him.

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Can we add Nick Foles to the poll?

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Can we add Nick Foles to the poll?
sure and Chad Henne while we are at it.

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Peterson should be the unanimous decision if the Vikings make the playoffs. If they don't though, I wouldn't vote for him. His ridiculous efforts will have gone to waste as the whole reason you play is to give your team a shot at the Superbowl. Because of that, I really think qualifying for the playoffs should be a requirement for being up for the most valuable player award. He'll have to settle for just the Offensive Player of the Year.

If the Vikings don't make it, I'd give it to Manning. He completely turned that team around, and doesn't have as strong of a receiving core or running game as Brady does.

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Brady hands down.

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Brady hands down.
There's no "hands down" about any of the top 3 at the moment (Brady/Manning/AP).

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Throwing megatrons hat in the ring if he breaks the receiving yards record.

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