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12-11-2012, 08:51 PM
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No not really, chains are not. A contract only states a set of conditions under which parties get benefits or penalties. Every single contract in society can be broken. Every single one of them. Cell phone, marriage you name it... The consequences usually need to be stated as penalties on the contract itself, cell phone breakage fees for instance, or on the base of the contract (the CBA for the NHL).

You ever heard the expression: A treaty between countries is only as good as the willingness of the countries to follow it?
Well the whole point of contracts is that they are legally binding, but you are right in the sense that they are binding depending on what performance is required by both sides. "I don't feel like it" is typically not a reason to unilaterally break a contract without damages (which on certain type of contracts is usually agreed beforehand, but since contracts only require a meeting of the minds and not a complex written document, it's not always the case).

But in this case since I'm not an expert on NHL/AHL contracts I don't know if Berger is actually breaking his contract or if his actions, while a failure to perform, simply suspend his salary or whatever.

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12-11-2012, 09:02 PM
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ohhh what a Beauty by Quailer !!

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12-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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Well the whole point of contracts is that they are legally binding, but you are right in the sense that they are binding depending on what performance is required by both sides. "I don't feel like it" is typically not a reason to unilaterally break a contract without damages (which on certain type of contracts is usually agreed beforehand, but since contracts only require a meeting of the minds and not a complex written document, it's not always the case).

But in this case since I'm not an expert on NHL/AHL contracts I don't know if Berger is actually breaking his contract or if his actions, while a failure to perform, simply suspend his salary or whatever.
The issue of this argument is the scope of "legally binding". Legally binding does not really prevent you from breaking the bind itself. It sets a context and a set of rules for parties to follow. That's the scope.

Berger had an NHL contract, so I think he can't sign with an another affiliated team of the NHL. That's part of the CBA, which he had to agree with on his contract. There's the funny IIHF rule on contracts not respected, but I doubt that had any effect on his decision eh.

Edit: Actually, he might be able to sign an AHL deal, not sure on that one. He wouldn't have to agree to the NHL CBA if it's an AHL contract.

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12-11-2012, 09:55 PM
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Nice games by the Dogs tonight.

Still... I don't understand why Leblanc hasn't played on the PP.

Nattinen is pretty good. Hard on the puck, smooth hands and calm with the puck. I'd like to see him getting more quality ice time. He's one of the best on the team.

Palushaj is disappointing.

Gallagher has played a Gallagher's game! Still need a big improvment in the skating department, but very aggressive and always on the right spot.

Quailer has some power in his legs. He's played a good game. Liked his positionning.

Leblanc and Bournival had an Ok game. Pretty mobile players.

Blunden was everywhere. He should have had a couple of goal if he was more talented.

Holland had some flashes. Cerebral player.

Overall it was a good game for the Dman, even if they made some brainfart!

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12-11-2012, 10:04 PM
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ohhh what a Beauty by Quailer !!
That was a beauty and so was the game played by the Bulldogs.The Bulldogs are gaining confidence and are playing a solid,consistent defensive game,don't count them out of the playoffs just yet.Desjardins with his and the Bulldogs 2nd shutout this season.Things are definitely looking better from game to game and this 4 game road trip could be the team bonding type of event Lefebrve's coaching team needs to take advantage of in getting back to .500 hockey.Go Bulldogs Go!

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No not really, chains are not. A contract only states a set of conditions under which parties get benefits or penalties. Every single contract in society can be broken. Every single one of them. Cell phone, marriage you name it... The consequences usually need to be stated as penalties on the contract itself, cell phone breakage fees for instance, or on the base of the contract (the CBA for the NHL).

You ever heard the expression: A treaty between countries is only as good as the willingness of the countries to follow it?
Lol don't bring international law into it man. People say that because the international system is an anarchy and there's no supreme authority that can force them to stick by their commitment.

Just because you can break a contract it doesn't mean it isn't a commitment man. So marriage isn't a commitment to you?

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12-12-2012, 03:45 AM
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Cedrick Desjardins making his way into an NHL contract!

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Does anyone else think that Beaulieu was stellar tonight? Besides a couple mistakes defensively (although IMO miniscule) I thought he played good on both sides of the puck, especially on the PP,

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12-12-2012, 07:08 AM
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Lol don't bring international law into it man. People say that because the international system is an anarchy and there's no supreme authority that can force them to stick by their commitment.

Just because you can break a contract it doesn't mean it isn't a commitment man. So marriage isn't a commitment to you?
It's a commitment for as long as both parties want to remain married.

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12-12-2012, 07:19 AM
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Beaulieu plaid well....but stellar!

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Does anyone else think that Beaulieu was stellar tonight? Besides a couple mistakes defensively (although IMO miniscule) I thought he played good on both sides of the puck, especially on the PP,
He played a pretty good game,when the puck was rolling on him he recovered it and gained control.His confidence is showing and he's playing the team game along with all his teammates,last game he was outstanding.

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12-12-2012, 09:01 AM
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Positives:
- Desjardins was great
- The whole team had good effort, battled hard
- Stortini didn't play
- No one really played a bad game

Negatives:
- No one really played a great game (maybe except Desjardins). No one stood out.
- Not creative, didn't have a good play or good set-up. They played a simple game. They tend to shoot too much, even when there's absolutely no chance to score. It's like they want to get rid of the puck.
- Offensive remains as a main problem
- Disappointed in Leblanc, not because he had a bad game, but simply because I expect more than that

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12-12-2012, 10:07 AM
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12-12-2012, 10:23 AM
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Ellis needs more love. He's been excellent, especially over the last 10 games or so.

I really liked Quailer last night, that goal was beauty. I really liked how he went right to the net with the puck. With his size and speed he has to do that more often. He's shown lots of flashes, hopefully he can build off those and start gaining confidence and consistency.

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12-12-2012, 10:57 AM
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Ellis needs more love. He's been excellent, especially over the last 10 games or so.

I really liked Quailer last night, that goal was beauty. I really liked how he went right to the net with the puck. With his size and speed he has to do that more often. He's shown lots of flashes, hopefully he can build off those and start gaining confidence and consistency.
True.

Not only that, but he is providing a bit of toughness too in taking people away from the goalie and having a bit of a mean streak.

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12-12-2012, 11:34 AM
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12-12-2012, 11:50 AM
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Quailer has a great shot and he has hockey sense. Very good frame. Dont think he will ever be a bruiser, but certainly someone who can make space for his teammates and lean on players defensively.

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12-12-2012, 12:22 PM
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Quailer has a great shot and he has hockey sense. Very good frame. Dont think he will ever be a bruiser, but certainly someone who can make space for his teammates and lean on players defensively.
I haven't seen him play, but every time I read posts about him, I can't help but picture Blake Wheeler.

How accurate is that?

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12-12-2012, 12:29 PM
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I haven't seen him play, but every time I read posts about him, I can't help but picture Blake Wheeler.

How accurate is that?
Not as good hands, probably just as good shot, probably better hockey sense.

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12-12-2012, 01:27 PM
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Not as good hands, probably just as good shot, probably better hockey sense.
Cool. Thanks for the info.

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12-12-2012, 03:53 PM
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Palushaj out 4-6 weeks.

Just watch, Lefebvre still won't use Leblanc on the 1st or 2nd PP unit.

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Palushaj out 4-6 weeks.

Just watch, Lefebvre still won't use Leblanc on the 1st or 2nd PP unit.
Time to recall another player from Wheeling and let Avtsin sit in the stands.

Worst part is, he got injured on an interference play and there was no call.

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I am sure Stortini will be back in for tomorrow's game instead of Avtsin despite the fact the team has won twice and looked fairly solid without Stortini.

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12-12-2012, 04:01 PM
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I predict that Lefebvre will recall Philippe Lefebvre to fill in Palushaj's spot

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The team just starts to remove few useless players: Stortini, Berger and Corbin... and now Palushaj is injured. I hope that Lefebvre doesn't bring back Stortini. I hope Hagel is gone too.

In a recent interview, Bergevin doesn't rule out the possibility to sign a veteran to help Dogs. Can we sign Darche ? He may help Dogs.

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