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Dbacks/Reds/Indians 3-way trade (Choo to CIN, Stubbs+Bauer to CLE, Gregorius to AZ)

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12-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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lol indians just got ace for the future... For literally nothihg. Also some pitching depth in pen.

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12-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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I can't believe the Indians got Bauer for Choo. What a steal!

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12-11-2012, 09:23 PM
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It's either that or Bauer is indeed a headcase.

I wonder if Cleveland will now push harder for Swisher seeing as no one is that interested.

Even if Bauer is a headcase Towers could've got a bigger return.


Masterson/Ubaldo/Bauer with Carrasco coming back from Tommy John.

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12-11-2012, 09:23 PM
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Full trade posted in post #1.

I really love this trade for Cincy. They had ATROCIOUS production/OBP out of leadoff spot last year. Choo is a major upgrade.

Choo
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12-11-2012, 09:24 PM
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lol indians just got ace for the future... For literally nothihg. Also some pitching depth in pen.
Not really seeing as they gave up their best LH reliever.

In addition, their offense also becomes dramatically worse without Choo...which was essentially anemic to begin with

Which is also why I'm guessing they'll overpay Swisher and hope Bauer figures it out.

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12-11-2012, 09:29 PM
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Not really seeing as they gave up their best LH reliever.

In addition, their offense also becomes dramatically worse without Choo...which was essentially anemic to begin with

Which is also why I'm guessing they'll overpay Swisher and hope Bauer figures it out.
You can literally find a decent LH reliever for free if you bring in enough guys during spring training.

A potential ace in the rotation, not so much.

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12-11-2012, 09:29 PM
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Even if Bauer is a headcase Towers could've got a bigger return.


Masterson/Ubaldo/Bauer with Carrasco coming back from Tommy John.
Jimenez will probably be gone next year and who knows what you'll get from either Masterson or Carrasco.

I'll call it a win for Cleveland...but there has to be something about Bauer unless it's proved otherwise

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12-11-2012, 09:36 PM
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Tribe make out like bandits, to me. Stubbs with a good defender in CF, and fast as hell, just has bad, bad plate discipline. Bauer can be a stud.

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Jimenez will probably be gone next year and who knows what you'll get from either Masterson or Carrasco.

I'll call it a win for Cleveland...but there has to be something about Bauer unless it's proved otherwise
I guess kind of like the way there had to have been something wrong with Gio Gonzalez that caused him to be traded like 3 times before he even made the big leagues.

Another way of looking at things is that maybe the the D-Backs had a lot of pitching depth and the Indians were in love with Bauer that there wasn't going to be a deal done without him.

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What the hell is Arizona doing? Of the three it better be Corbin.
I'd just like to say.............


:r ant:

Knowing the luck we have around here with prospect development, Gregorius will end up a platoon man and Bauer a Cy Young contender. I really don't understand the team not holding on to these young arms, remember they just traded Parker too. The only type of talent this team has proven it can develop are PITCHERS. So instead of holding on to our pitchers till they pan out and trading them for established position players later, they trade them all away so its mediocrity all around.

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12-11-2012, 09:38 PM
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Are there any actual concrete rumours about Bauer's makeup issues? I just checked my 2012 Baseball America handbook and it doesn't mention any character issues and even repeatedly compliments his work ethic. Obviously though he did something to piss someone in the D'backs org off though.

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12-11-2012, 09:42 PM
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I guess kind of like the way there had to have been something wrong with Gio Gonzalez that caused him to be traded like 3 times before he even made the big leagues.

Another way of looking at things is that maybe the the D-Backs had a lot of pitching depth and the Indians were in love with Bauer that there wasn't going to be a deal done without him.
Gio Gonzales is a good pitcher..but he is not exactly an ace or #2 type guy either

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I'd just like to say.............


:r ant:

Knowing the luck we have around here with prospect development, Gregorius will end up a platoon man and Bauer a Cy Young contender. I really don't understand the team not holding on to these young arms, remember they just traded Parker too. The only type of talent this team has proven it can develop are PITCHERS. So instead of holding on to our pitchers till they pan out and trading them for established position players later, they trade them all away so its mediocrity all around.
Remember when they traded Brett Anderson, too?

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12-11-2012, 09:45 PM
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Are there any actual concrete rumours about Bauer's makeup issues? I just checked my 2012 Baseball America handbook and it doesn't mention any character issues and even repeatedly compliments his work ethic. Obviously though he did something to piss someone in the D'backs org off though.
Its way more than rumors, but its not so much a work ethic thing as it is a stubbornness/set in his ways thing. He didn't get along with Miguel Montero, though they supposedly patched that up. He did not alter his crazy pre-game routine for the big leagues.

If the Diamondbacks organization can't work with him and overcome those two issues based on the potential reward of Bauers talent, they should just fold up shop.


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Remember when they traded Brett Anderson, too?
Oddly enough I'd still do that whole Haren trade, there is a context to it that people forget a lot. But that's a topic for another thread. I'M RAGING HERE!

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12-11-2012, 09:48 PM
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Remember when they traded Brett Anderson, too?
That deal was Haren and Robertson for Anderson, Chris Carter, Carlos Gonzalez, Dana Eveland, Greg Smith and Aaron Cunningham.

Haren was solid for ARI and the A's traded Gonzalez, but getting Carter and Anderson out of that was a huge win for Oakland.

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12-11-2012, 09:50 PM
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Oddly enough I'd still do that whole Haren trade, there is a context to it that people forget a lot. But that's a topic for another thread. I'M RAGING HERE!
Prospects are hard to predict, but Carlos Gonzalez and Anderson are very good ball players. Carter is solid for an AL team with his power, not so much in the NL since he sucks in the field.

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As usual, the same Cleveland-bashers are in here putting the trade down.

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1) I really like this trade for the Reds. They add Shin-Soo Choo to their OF for next season and his hitting should be a major upgrade over Stubbs. Then Billy Hamilton should be able to take over CF & the leadoff spot for the future from 2014 on.

2) I cannnot understand this trade from the Diamondbacks perspective. They should have gotten way more for Bauer.

3) If the Royals were sour on Wil Myers as he had some vague "make up" issues and they needed a potential ace pitcher & the Diamondbacks were sour on Trevor Bauer as he had some vague "make up" issues - why did they not make a straight up trade of Myers for Bauer - that would seem to make better sense for both of those teams than the trades that they did make.

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Gio Gonzales is a good pitcher..but he is not exactly an ace or #2 type guy either
Lolwut? Gonzalez had a case for NL Cy Young this year...

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Lolwut? Gonzalez had a case for NL Cy Young this year...
You could have predicted that the minute he was traded to the NL.

Which says more about the National League than Gio Gonzalez

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So it was Bauer, wow. I know Towers has issues with him off the field, but come on.

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You could have predicted that the minute he was traded to the NL.

Which says more about the National League than Gio Gonzalez
Okay, Captain Hindsight.

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#Dbacks Towers on Gregorious "He's athletic. He reminded me of a young Derek Jeter."
Derek Jeter defensively? If so, my condolences to DBacks fans.

And his minor league career suggests he won't be a special hitter.

Gregorious was ranked 8 amongst Reds prospects btw.

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You could have predicted that the minute he was traded to the NL.

Which says more about the National League than Gio Gonzalez
Gonzalez was top-10 in ERA in 2010 and 2011 while he was in the AL.

You might wanna do some research before you type.

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Gregorious' ceiling is Elvis Andrus. The likelihood that he reaches that though isn't high.

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