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1. A 2nd won't get it done for Mac
2. I doubt the Devils want to move a 2nd right now that much either considering they still owe a 1st coming up, and their system isn't really all that deep right now
Unless he signs with you as a FA (Its probably between NJ and TO) he isn't going to be with you guys
Oh, i agree. I know his father (one of my clients), before he was drafted he wanted to play with the Leafs (hometown kid), but he has nothing but great things to say about NJ. I just love his game, all go all the time.
There's a reason that BOTH Gaustand and Kyle frigging Quincey returned 1st round draft picks this year, why Colorado was OK with moving that 1st as a package for Varlamov, and why a HOST of 2nd rounders got moved... people are forgetting that 2012 was a shallow, horrible draft year. Might go down as one of the worst in recent memory. It's easy to move 1st and 2nd rounders when you're convinced that the pick is worth more as a tradeable asset than they player you'd draft with it.
This year's draft is DEEP. A late 1st rounder last year = a mid 2nd this year, easy.
Every draft is considered deep 6 months before draft day. I remember many people saying this about the 2012 draft in 2011.
Reality is that a contending team doesn't care how deep an upcoming draft is, they care about winning the Stanley Cup. GM's overpay for medicore players at the deadline every year, the next one won't be any different. A 40 - 60 point winger like MacArthur will net a late 1st to high 2nd easily.
Paul Gaustad got a 1st round pick, PAUL GAUSTAD, a guy whose career high in points is 36. I understand that he is known for his other attributes to the game. But I don't see why it's so far fetched to say Clarke could fetch us a late 1st round pick from a contender looking to juice up their top nine. Especially if Clarke is scoring at a .65 - .70 ppg pace, it's not like Cmac is a defensive liability either.
Anything less than a late 1st/early 2nd, and I'd rather just hold onto him and see what he's asking for in free agency.
Gaustad got a 1st rounder because he was envisioned to be the ultimate playoff warrior and 3rd round C who would own faceoffs and fight when necessary. And it was a bad trade. MacArthur isn't offensive enough for the top 6 and brings nothing else for the bottom 6.
Any team that gives more than a late 2nd for MacArthur would regret it. Higgins is a much better playoff player and he only got a 3rd.
Gaustad got a 1st rounder because he was envisioned to be the ultimate playoff warrior and 3rd round C who would own faceoffs and fight when necessary. And it was a bad trade. MacArthur isn't offensive enough for the top 6 and brings nothing else for the bottom 6.
Any team that gives more than a late 2nd for MacArthur would regret it. Higgins is a much better playoff player and he only got a 3rd.
How many 20 goal 3rd line wingers are there in the league?
He's reaching prime physical age (if not there already), he's not that expensive (at the moment), he's consistently productive offensively and defensively. I really don't want him to leave the Leafs roster. Picks can turn into nothing, the leafs know what the have right now with him. And they still have a good scoring line with him grabo and kulemin.
Gaustad got a 1st rounder because he was envisioned to be the ultimate playoff warrior and 3rd round C who would own faceoffs and fight when necessary. And it was a bad trade. MacArthur isn't offensive enough for the top 6 and brings nothing else for the bottom 6.
Any team that gives more than a late 2nd for MacArthur would regret it. Higgins is a much better playoff player and he only got a 3rd.
You do realize that not every single team in the league plays a top six thats for scoring, and a bottom six that is used for energy and shutting down the opposition. Most teams actually like having scoring on the third line, and Macarthur adds that. Also saying he isn't offensively capable enough to play in a top six role is a load of bollocks. Not every player in a top six needs to be a 70 point player.
I'd sure hope Higgins is a better playoff performer than Cmac and his 0 playoff games.
You do realize that not every single team in the league plays a top six thats for scoring, and a bottom six that is used for energy and shutting down the opposition. Most teams actually like having scoring on the third line, and Macarthur adds that. Also saying he isn't offensively capable enough to play in a top six role is a load of bollocks. Not every player in a top six needs to be a 70 point player.
I'd sure hope Higgins is a better playoff performer than Cmac and his 0 playoff games.
It's his defense that's the problem, like a lot of Leaf forwards.
You do realize that not every single team in the league plays a top six thats for scoring, and a bottom six that is used for energy and shutting down the opposition. Most teams actually like having scoring on the third line, and Macarthur adds that. Also saying he isn't offensively capable enough to play in a top six role is a load of bollocks. Not every player in a top six needs to be a 70 point player.
I'd sure hope Higgins is a better playoff performer than Cmac and his 0 playoff games.
Yes, trading a 1st rounder for a 20 goal, 45-50 point winger with no intangibles and zero playoff games is a great way to run a franchise.
It's his defense that's the problem, like a lot of Leaf forwards.
What? His defense isn't a problem at all. He's no defensive juggernaut, but it's adequate. Most of the season he played with Kulemin and Grabo and they played against the opposition's top lines, and he still finished a +3 (I know +/- is useless, but finishing a plus on a abysmal leafs team last year must mean something)
One of the better Corsi and QoC on the leafs, although most of that is due to playing with Grabovski and Kulemin. I just don't see how you can think his defense is a problem.
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Originally Posted by Halpysback
Yes, trading a 1st rounder for a 20 goal, 45-50 point winger with no intangibles and zero playoff games is a great way to run a franchise.
Yes, trading a 1st rounder for a 20 point center, who just gives good motivational speeches, and can win faceoffs is a great way to run a franchise.
Teams do it, and if a contending team is a playmaking RW away from being a serious threat, you better believe that they'll pay that for Clarke.
No, he obviously sucks defensively because Ruff and Ramsay dumped him.
Ramsay dumped him because he earned too much in his arbritation case, and Buffalo traded him for a 3rd and 4th. But if you can find a source that they dumped him because he sucks defensively than I'm all ears.
Ramsay dumped him because he earned too much in his arbritation case, and Buffalo traded him for a 3rd and 4th. But if you can find a source that they dumped him because he sucks defensively than I'm all ears.
Yes. I should of said Atlanta dumped him instead. Either way, my point still stands. Can you provide a source, or are you just going to keep feeding me BS and YouTube videos?
No, he obviously sucks defensively because Ruff and Ramsay dumped him.
I love how you're trying to convince me, a guy that has watched MacArthur play 155 times in the last two years, that he is terrible defensively and then backs it up with a Youtube clip. Take it from me, he is neither great nor poor defensively.
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I love how you're trying to convince me, a guy that has watched MacArthur play 155 times in the last two years, that he is terrible defensively and then backs it up with a Youtube clip. Take it from me, he is neither great nor poor defensively.
Quoted for truth. Everyone knows more about Leafs players then us on HF. Neither great nor poor is the best possible description you can give Mac.
