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12-12-2012, 08:40 PM
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Seems to be the one consistent thing Donald Fehr and the NHLPA like to do: waste time.

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Today's meeting was waste of time. NHLPA wanted mediation again. NHL eventually agreed. Neither side was willing to budge.

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MLB was almost destroyed by the strike. It took two juiced up behemoths hitting absurd amounts of monstrous homeruns in the same season to get fans back in the seats. There is no way to equate that in hockey. Stamkos and Geno aren't going to chase 92 goals.

The long term damage done to the game by fehr here is being severely underestimated
Or severely over attributed.

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So then why are those same parameters so untenable now? The players are more than willing to play under the CBA that saw the league have "record growth".
Because the league cannot continue to support 30 franchises under those "parameters." Too many teams running below profit.

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Pirates fans need to stop blaming all of their problems on economic disparity.

They play in NL central for crying out loud! Every single team except for the Pirates has won the division inside the last five years.

The Pirates have a pathetic management group. Their problem is not MLB's economic framework.
Dude? why you gotta hate on the bucs? Russell Martin yo!

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Seems to be the one consistent thing Donald Fehr and the NHLPA like to do: waste time.

https://twitter.com/TGfireandice/sta...51792392785922
Today's meeting was waste of time. NHLPA wanted mediation again. NHL eventually agreed. Neither side was willing to budge.
Why is this only on Fehr again?

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Donald Fehr is single handily extending the lockout. unbelievable the player are letting him do this. Both the last NBA lockout and this one were extended months by a terrible union leader.

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Because the league cannot continue to support 30 franchises under those "parameters." Too many teams running below profit.
Well that doesn't really sound like a "record growth" situation, does it?

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Pirates fans need to stop blaming all of their problems on economic disparity.

They play in NL central for crying out loud! Every single team except for the Pirates has won the division inside the last five years.

The Pirates have a pathetic management group. Their problem is not MLB's economic framework.
That's what happens when you're a small-market team that happens to whiff on a handful of picks and prospects. Large-market teams can simply spend their problems away.

Look at Edmonton. Dismantling a dynasty was one thing, but missing on some picks crippled that team for years. Imagine what Calgary would look like if they'd taken Todd Harvey instead of Jarome Iginla in the Nieuwendyk trade.

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12-12-2012, 08:43 PM
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Why is this only on Fehr again?
Because Fehr thinks it's cute to request mediation as if someone is going to tell the league what to do. The league has made it clear it's been a waste of time, yet Fehr thinks it'll win him PR points like

"SEEEE, We Wannaa MOVEEE on certain Points But The LEAGUEz won'T mOVE:!

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So the players finally got 1 thing right in these past 90 days, and all it took was the nhl taking everything off the table for them to finally realize they are not close.

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It seems that NHLPA is trying to wait for the owners to cave. If they accept this deal, then it would seem that players caved when push came to shove. The owners are going to remember that, when the next CBA is to be negotiated. Owners will remember players caving and ask for more concessions knowing that fact.

Owners have got to throw a bone to NHLPA. Owners have to give a little so that none of them look like they really completely "lost" the negotiation. Otherwise, we will likely see a month of no hockey until one of them caves.

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Why is this only on Fehr again?
cause he says they are close wouldn't it couldnt be further from the truth.

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That's what happens when you're a small-market team that happens to whiff on a handful of picks and prospects. Large-market teams can simply spend their problems away.

Look at Edmonton. Dismantling a dynasty was one thing, but missing on some picks crippled that team for years. Imagine what Calgary would look like if they'd taken Todd Harvey instead of Jarome Iginla in the Nieuwendyk trade.
Ya, big markets like Milwaukee and Cincinnati have been spending their way out of trouble for years!


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So then why are those same parameters so untenable now? The players are more than willing to play under the CBA that saw the league have "record growth".
So... why haven't they proposed that, ever...?

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It seems that NHLPA is trying to wait for the owners to cave. If they accept this deal, then it would seem that players caved when push came to shove. The owners are going to remember that, when the next CBA is to be negotiated. Owners will remember players caving and ask for more concessions knowing that fact.

Owners have got throw a bone to NHLPA. Owners have to give a little so that none of them look like they really completely "lost" the negotiation. Otherwise, we will likely see a month of no hockey until one of them caves.
They did. Over $300M of "make whole" money outside of the system. Still didn't bite.

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Why is this only on Fehr again?
Because it was the nhlpa's idea to meet and to also bring mediation. When he full well knows the nhl's position right. And if doesn't then he is even worse then i thought.

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Why is this only on Fehr again?
Have you not been paying attention?

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So... why haven't they proposed that, ever...?
The napkin was too small.

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I have been optimistic through this whole ordeal. Today, that's all gone. It's not so much that I don't think a deal will be done, but it's that I've lost all respect for the owners/players of the sport that has entertained me for so long. Even if/when the NHL returns, I'm going to feel very bitter about this, especially knowing that it's likely going to be the same story all over again once that CBA expires. I'm through taking sides. I may dislike the PA more right now, but they both deserve all the hatred they've been getting. The two sides can't even sit down and face each other at this point? It's a shame that the most entertaining sport in the world is at the mercy of people who don't give a flying **** about the fans that are supplying them with the money that they're fighting over. What a joke.

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So... why haven't they proposed that, ever...?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bettman...3923--nhl.html

"The owners are not prepared to operate under this collective bargaining agreement for another season," said Bettman, according to the Sports Business Daily. "This isn't news. The union has been told this repeatedly for the last 9-12 months."

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They did. Over $300M of "make whole" money outside of the system. Still didn't bite.
Rejecting that deal has put them in the spotlight. They either cave now (and potentially be pushed to cave again next CBA), or drag out till mid-Jan and hope for owners to offer a bit more.

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Well that doesn't really sound like a "record growth" situation, does it?
That's not what he said though.

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Ya, big markets like Milwaukee and Cincinnati have been spending their way out of trouble for years!

Yup, Milwaukee put together a good team, then lost Prince Fielder to free agency. They were 13 games worse this year than last year.

Cincinnati is trying to pull out of a 20-year swoon; we'll see if it works. When they were 91-71 a couple years back, it was the first time in 15 years they'd touched .500.

What a couple of powerhouses those are. Two franchises that have combined for 1 World Series win in the last 35 years, and 1 other appearance.

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Well that doesn't really sound like a "record growth" situation, does it?
You know all revenue doesn't come from every team equally... Sure every team might be bringing in more revenue every year, but enough to cover the extra $3-5 million they HAVE to spend to reach the cap floor every year?

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Have you not been paying attention?
Yah, I've been paying attention. According to many it's all Fehr's fault. Although neither side moved and everybody is an expert here on Bettman's/Fehr's motivations for everything.

What's so hard about cutting contracts lengths down the middle. They are both hard headed.

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