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12-13-2012, 09:27 AM
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If the Majority of the teams in the league wanted to play. They would be playing.

These owners are not seeing profits like the NBA,NFL,MLB. They would rather not play AT ALL. Than sign another CBA that only returns them slim profits, or no profits at all.

Think of the enormous expenses teams like Florida are saving....

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12-13-2012, 09:29 AM
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The players are like a bunch of frustrated gold diggers frivolously mining through rock made of diamond.

"Forget these diamonds, we want gold!"
I know you couldn't be more pro-owners, but at this point just what the hell else do the owners need?

The players are fighting for scraps, and you're fair to rip that. But if they give in on a longer CBA, wouldn't it be fair to insist on 7 yr or more contract max? Do the owners need to score huge movement on every single issue? The players have a point - where is the negotiation on the part of the owners?

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If the Majority of the teams in the league wanted to play. They would be playing.

These owners are not seeing profits like the NBA,NFL,MLB. They would rather not play AT ALL. Than sign another CBA that only returns them slim profits, or no profits at all.
Exactly.

There are 18 teams losing money with another 9 barely making any money at all.

Not a lot of incentive to conduct business under those conditions.

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12-13-2012, 09:34 AM
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I wish they would just cancel the season so we can get off this roller coaster.
I want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride.

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I think the media coverage is so inconsistent because even the media is at a loss trying to tell us why this lockout is still going on. Nothing makes any sense.
Both sides have too much money. That's the only reason the lockout is going on 3 months. The longer it goes, the more it says how well the players have been doing financially in recent years. As long as the players can afford to not take money offered by the owners, they have no reason to agree to anything that the owners offer.


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12-13-2012, 09:37 AM
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You're making things up.

For one, there's no rule that says there needs to be a lockout or strike.

So the idea that we have lockouts to avoid strikes is bunk. 100 percent bunk.

Going on strike before the playoffs would cause some urgency among owners.

One things we've seen from owners is this: Without urgency, we lose tons and tons and tons of hockey games.

With urgency, they deal.

So if you're a hockey fan who wants to watch NHL hockey, you're better off with a strike than a lockout.
Yeah, like how Expo fans were better off with a strike.... Wrong again, bob.

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I know you couldn't be more pro-owners, but at this point just what the hell else do the owners need?

The players are fighting for scraps, and you're fair to rip that. But if they give in on a longer CBA, wouldn't it be fair to insist on 7 yr or more contract max? Do the owners need to score huge movement on every single issue? The players have a point - where is the negotiation on the part of the owners?
What about the better travel, accommodations, etc that the league agreed to that no one ever talks about?

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12-13-2012, 09:37 AM
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The owners will never agree to binding arbitration. I'm not sure the players would be too wild about that either, they wouldn't be able to try and pull one over the owners' eyes that way.
I agree - but if they're as close as they say they are...

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12-13-2012, 09:38 AM
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I know you couldn't be more pro-owners, but at this point just what the hell else do the owners need?

The players are fighting for scraps, and you're fair to rip that. But if they give in on a longer CBA, wouldn't it be fair to insist on 7 yr or more contract max? Do the owners need to score huge movement on every single issue? The players have a point - where is the negotiation on the part of the owners?
Um, the owners moved their way on a lot of issues, and the NHLPA (which means the players and Donald Fehr) messed up. Now because they messed up last negotiations they will now see even less movement on the Leagues part.

Do you get it, it's not the fault of the league if the NHLPA and players can't fallow the parameters or things put before them. They caused the derailment of the process, and they don't even have a kickstand to lean on now.

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12-13-2012, 09:42 AM
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Seems like this Tom Gulitti guy got a stern talking to from his wife or something because he's been browbeating the league and bashing the whole process more and more over the last 24-48 hours.

Maybe he had a eureka moment like the rest of us and realized it's not worth his time (and like us he still spends every waking hour complaining about it on his choice of medium anyway ).

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12-13-2012, 09:44 AM
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I think that a more conciliatory approach from someone without all of Bettman's baggage could have probably got the players questioning Fehr's leadership more and got a deal done sooner.
A thousand times this.

For all his supposed intelligence, Bettman is not very nimble. He had a playbook -- based on 04-05, the NBA, the Prosskauer blueprint -- lock them out until they cry uncle. Never mind that the issues this time weren't nearly as dire as the issues the last time. His inability to imagine, let alone implement, any alternative approach to economic health other than cancelling games is what makes him unfit for his office.

But the perception that he enjoys this board room crap so much more than he likes the game of hockey is what makes him loathed by hockey fans.

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What about the better travel, accommodations, etc that the league agreed to that no one ever talks about?
Dude, come on. That's like throwing an extra bag of peanuts at you during a flight you just got charged double for.

It doesn't get talked about because it doesn't matter much.

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12-13-2012, 09:49 AM
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Dude, come on. That's like throwing an extra bag of peanuts at you during a flight you just got charged double for.

It doesn't get talked about because it doesn't matter much.
When you PA fanboys say the PA just gives and gives and gives, it's simply not true.

Are they less meaningful concessions? sure

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12-13-2012, 09:57 AM
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So how many more sources are there of

"I talked to a GM that said players should start getting ready and coming back from overseas.. Something good is brewing."

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Any more meetings scheduled?

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12-13-2012, 10:09 AM
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Fehr is not going to cave in. If he does, it's because the NHLPA has removed him and is desperate for a deal but Fehr will not voluntarily concede any more major points. So either the NHL concedes, Fehr gets replaced, or the season is officially cancelled around the 3rd week of January

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12-13-2012, 10:10 AM
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Any more meetings scheduled?
I believe the Mediator is meeting with the PA today. If he feels they are close, he will recommend another meeting with the NHL. If not, bye bye season.

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12-13-2012, 10:13 AM
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I believe the Mediator is meeting with the PA today. If he feels they are close, he will recommend another meeting with the NHL. If not, bye bye season.
It's not at bye bye season yet. Everyone feels that this will go to the end date in January.

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I believe the Mediator is meeting with the PA today. If he feels they are close, he will recommend another meeting with the NHL. If not, bye bye season.
All that means is we can get on with our lives until the second week of January.

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Dude, come on. That's like throwing an extra bag of peanuts at you during a flight you just got charged double for.

It doesn't get talked about because it doesn't matter much.
I find it funny that some of the things the owners have added to this deal are brushed aside as "peanuts" when in fact they just double the hotel bills for the players by agreeing to have one player per room, someone do the math on that. More and more costs coming out of the owners pockets but it does not count, the sense of entitlement the PA supporters have is astounding.

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12-13-2012, 10:14 AM
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Any more meetings scheduled?

Dreger:

NHL has delivered the message it is pretty much a take it or leave it, however, that doesn't mean the league won't trade on certain things.

Mediator will speak with PA this morning. If he concludes a deal is close he will recommend meeting. Flip-side...neg returns to square 1.



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And I interpret that to mean core issues are steadfast but we'll throw you a bone elsewhere. Or maybe not. Or maybe.


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By keeping the players from a vote, Fehr gets to point the finger at the NHL. Look they canceled another season. While he delayed, stalled, and torpedoed all along. He won't even play the court card till after the scheduled beginning of next season.

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#NHLPA met with mediator this morning. Still unclear whether there will be further meetings involving the league today. Stay tuned.
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NHL not even being listed on Fox Sports website, behind Nascar, NCAA, golf, soccer, and than having to go to more to find it is an absolute joke. Really speaks volumes of how the game is viewed in the States. And even worse, the NHL used to be shown on Fox.

At least they're still on the top at ESPN....
this is what im talking about when i say the lockout is really screwing this game badly. hockey fans live in a bubble, we dont realize the fact that the billions of other nonhockey fans really could not care less if hockey existed. Foxsports doesnt need to waste space so they can basically cut and paste the same BS comments from the PA and BoG. Good for them burying it. Screw this league, im so sick of being treated like crap...and to think i pay them for their product only to get crapped on. Like some fun german film.

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As for his thoughts on how he figures negotiations are going, Cuban was blunt.

“They’re both cluster[expletives]. There’s no good way [to negotiate] because everybody thinks they have a solution in those scenarios and nobody wants to listen to the other guy’s solutions.”
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