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12-13-2012, 08:26 AM
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He was horrid in the Subway series.

That probably sealed his fate.
I doubt it. If that were the case, nobody from that night would've made Team Canada. They got completely owned. Dumba wasn't good, Reinhart wasn't good, Reilly was turning the puck over like it was going out of style. It was an anomoly game for most players involved.

One game wasn't/isn't going to seal anyone's fate. Pouliot's had a good season and a good camp, but it's a numbers game as far as the spot he was competing for goes, so no real surprise he didn't make the team -- just thought he would've survived until the final round of cuts.

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12-13-2012, 08:28 AM
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Dumba has a better international resume, a wider range of skills than Pouliot (arguably) and has flat out just played better recently against the Russians.

Pouliot was gross in the Subway series. Good player though, and he has nothing to be ashamed about that's for sure.
In the one game Pouliot played against the Russians, Dumba was just as bad. In fact, most of the Dub defensemen drafted in 2012 were pretty **** that game, including Rielly.

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12-13-2012, 08:35 AM
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I think Drouin should make the team. He is better than Hudon.
Hudon's a lock, no chance Drouin makes it over him.

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12-13-2012, 08:39 AM
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I'd like to see next Ray Whitney (a friend of Nathan Mc named J.Drouin) to make a team very much, but I'm afraid he's going to be cut

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12-13-2012, 08:57 AM
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I hope Corrado makes the team.

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12-13-2012, 08:57 AM
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Hudon's a lock, no chance Drouin makes it over him.
Hudon might be a lock but Drouin is better then him.

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12-13-2012, 09:02 AM
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Dumba has a better international resume, a wider range of skills than Pouliot (arguably) and has flat out just played better recently against the Russians.

Pouliot was gross in the Subway series. Good player though, and he has nothing to be ashamed about that's for sure.
It makes me wonder why they even have a camp. Pouliot has outplayed Dumba these last two games, but he gets cut and Dumba stays? I like Dumba more as a prospect. I see him becoming the better NHL player. But if this were a "real" tryout Dumba would be the one going home. JMO.

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12-13-2012, 09:08 AM
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I don't know about you guys, but I really like what I've seen from Shinkaruk so far.

Being a natural winger may help his case over some of the other forwards left. I'd give him the edge over Drouin atm.

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12-13-2012, 09:08 AM
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It makes me wonder why they even have a camp. Pouliot has outplayed Dumba these last two games, but he gets cut and Dumba stays? I like Dumba more as a prospect. I see him becoming the better NHL player. But if this were a "real" tryout Dumba would be the one going home. JMO.
Dumba at his best is a very, very good player. Pouliot hasn't really shown enough to be anywhere near making the team (good but not excellent like he needed to be) and he doesn't have the international resume that Dumba has. Besides, I get the feeling they want 2 RD for the last 3 spots and Reinhart is the guy that pretty much has that LD spot locked down.

I don't think Dumba surviving over Pouliot is that crazy. He's getting an extra game because of his track record with Hockey Canada, but he'll need to be out of this world today to make it.

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12-13-2012, 09:10 AM
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It makes me wonder why they even have a camp. Pouliot has outplayed Dumba these last two games, but he gets cut and Dumba stays? I like Dumba more as a prospect. I see him becoming the better NHL player. But if this were a "real" tryout Dumba would be the one going home. JMO.
It's not a "real" tryout. The camp is probably the least important part of this whole process.

Hockey Canada has been evaluating them from the Ivan Hlinka, to league play, to Super Series performance this summer.

The camp is really only good for those last 2-3 spots where you've got some tough decisions to make. Pouliot wasn't going to make this team, and given Dumba's past performance they've given him the benefit of the doubt, to live another day. He likely won't make it either.

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12-13-2012, 09:17 AM
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Goalies:

Subban
Brossoit
Paterson


Subban is an absolute lock despite his performance so far. Paterson has been the best goalie in camp and is the only goalie eligible to return next year so I think we can pencil him in as well. With the rule change that allows you to take three goalies I think it would be a no brainer to always take an underager that can get experience for the following year either as a starter or backup (no need to worry about the NHL taking goalies). So with Subban and Paterson all but guaranteed to be on the team the other spot will come down to Brossoit vs. Binnington. Brossoit was money last year in the playoffs and was there in the Summer Series but Binnington has had the far better season. Based on the fact that Spott singled out Brossoit after both games so far in camp I think he might have a slight edge. Realistically though this teams hopes are going to ride with Malcolm Subban.


Defence:

Rielly-Hamilton
Ouellet-Harrington
Reinhart-Corrado
Murphy


The top four are pretty much locked in with Hamilton, Rielly, Ouellet and Harrington. I think Reinhart has played very well in camp and was a frontrunner from the start - I think it's more likely he sits out today then gets cut as he's pretty much a lock now as well. That leaves two spots for five players. HF places way too much emphasis on the selection camp but I really think Dumba and Corrado did complete 180's this week when it comes to their chances on the team. Dumba is one of the few righty shots, has a ton of International experience and was Spott's captain last year at the U18s. I know I had him pencilled in with Reinhart on the third pairing a few days ago. But he hasn't had an impressive year and has been the worst player on the ice in selection camp. I think he's played his way off the team to be honest but still wouldn't surprise me to see him make the cut. Say what you want about Murphy but I would be surprised to see him cut. Spott has that familiarity with him from Kitchener and he can run a powerplay very well which is what you want from the 7th defensemen. The right-handed shot certainly helps his cause as well. I think Corrado's play at the selection camp and at the Subway Series may have won him a spot just like it won Marcus Foligno, another Sudbury Wolf, a spot two years ago. He's steady and a right-handed shot. I think Reinhart and Corrado could be a very serviceable, safe and steady third pairing. With all the risky guys back there and no Ryan Murray I think Corrado should make this team. Rielly, Hamilton, Ouellet and Murphy are tremendous offensively but at times will leave something to be desired on the defensive side of the puck. I don't think Canada needs to take Dumba to add to that list. This leaves Sproul, Wotherspoon and Dumba as the cuts. Sproul has not impressed me whatsoever in this camp so far even though I seem to be in the minority. He's been exposed defensively and hasn't produced offense and I feel like it's between him and Murphy for the 7D PP specialist. Sproul would have had to have a great camp to win the spot over Spott's man and he certainly hasn't done that. I think Dumba being cut is pretty self-explanatory but it still wouldn't surprise me if he made it - guy will need a big game today to justify it though. 4 of the 5 locks on the blueline has left-handed shots and I feel like you need to balance it out a little which means no Wotherspoon. He hasn't stood out in camp and I feel like he's another guy that needed a big camp a la Corrado to make it.


Forwards:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
Mackinnon-Strome-Rattie
Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie
Camara-Danault-McNeill
Drouin


Spott had 8 forwards sitting out yesterday and I'm not a Mackinnon or a Q supporter but I think he's played his way into that group as well. That leaves 4 spots left up front. I like Ritchie and Hudon's versatility to play top six or bottom six. I don't want 3 scoring lines but I don't want 2 full meathead lines either so I think Hudon and Ritchie could make the third line well rounded. There's no way that three draft-eligible forwards make this team so I think you need to pick at most 2 out of Drouin/Mackinnon/Shinkaruk. I like McNeill's game a lot at this camp and he's had a good year and was probably a favourite coming in to the week so I'm pretty confident about him being on this team. Wilson I liked coming into the week as well but I think his undisciplined play has really hurt him while Camara has been impressive. I like a guy like Drouin for the 13th forward. This is my first time seeing him and he reminds me of a faster version of Sam Gagner at this tournament. You can tell he has a ton of skill but he's victimized by occasionally trying to do too much so Spott can shelter him as the 13th forward. I'm a little surprised Catenacci made it through the first cut yesterday as he stood out for the wrong reasons yesterday. Lipon is a little bit redundant on this team and hasn't produced offensively enough to warrant a spot for a guy that's top six or bust. I think Rattie had a very good chance coming into the week and he wasn't too bad yesterday either. His very good summer series I think gets him a spot but he'll need a big game today to really secure that spot. I do like players like Tom Wilson but he hasn't looked very smooth with the puck and is perhaps too one-dimensional for this tournament as an 18-year-old. Reminds me a bit of Colton Gillies in this tournament though and he made it and contributed so you never know - I feel like he was a frontrunner coming into the week and was great in the summer.

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12-13-2012, 09:17 AM
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Are the cuts after today's game or tomorrow morning?

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12-13-2012, 09:19 AM
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Are the cuts after today's game or tomorrow morning?
Should be after the game unless they change their mind.

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12-13-2012, 09:19 AM
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Should be after the game unless they change their mind.
Yep. TSN confirmed this morning during an update. The final roster will be announced tonight.

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Sounds like these are the pairings for today's game:

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#TeamCanada D pairings: Corrado & Reinhart, Dumba & Wotherspoon Sproul @ Murphy #2013WJC

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12-13-2012, 09:22 AM
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Or trashing Matt Dumba because Canuck fans want Frank Corrado to make the team. I'm willing to bet that if Corrado wasn't involved a lot of these posts about Dumba wouldn't be here,
Bingo.

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It will be interesting to see who dresses on D for today's game - it seems likely that all of Corrado, Dumba, Sproul, and Murphy will dress as they are vying for right D spots - so I'm guessing they put Harrington, Rielly, Reinhart, and Wotherspoon with them.

Hamilton and injured Ouellett sit.

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Corrado seems to be playing his way onto the team. Don't see how they could cut him and keep Dumba.

People focus too much on the bad with Ryan Murphy. For me, the good far outweighs the bad. This kid is ELITE with the puck! If you put him in a position to succeed as a 7th D and PP specialist, you bring the best puck rushing D-man in the world (Jr level). Unreal offensive skill. I understand the concern of an injury forcing him into a regular shift, but I feel what he brings on the PP is far more valuable than having Sproul/Wotherspoon/Dumba as # 7 D.

Net has to be so tough for the staff to decide. Subban is a lock. His bad start yesterday won't change that. Paterson has been the best goalie in camp, he can't be cut. So then who gets cut, Broisson or Binnington? I'm guessing Broisson gets the axe but it could go either way.

Up front the biggest question for me is have MacKinnon and Drouin done enough to stay? I'm hoping so, I love what they bring.

I find it so hard to put line combos together, I just can't decide. Strome must be 2C, and I would think Ritchie would play with him. And you want to have MacKinnon and Drouin together, but do they play 3rd line with Jenner? NO WAY Jenner can be 4th Centre...right? Haha. And where does Danault slot in? I have put pen to paper so many times and just can't decide!

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It will be interesting to see who dresses on D for today's game - it seems likely that all of Corrado, Dumba, Sproul, and Murphy will dress as they are vying for right D spots - so I'm guessing they put Harrington, Rielly, Reinhart, and Wotherspoon with them.

Hamilton and injured Ouellett sit.

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Here are the pairings, posted at the end of last page:

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#TeamCanada D pairings: Corrado & Reinhart, Dumba & Wotherspoon Sproul @ Murphy #2013WJC

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From Spott's post game comments and barring some seriously bad play by other forwards I think a puck or two actually have to go in the net today for Drouin to get a spot.

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The major problem here is the last 2 spots are between corrado, dumba and murphy. Murphy is going to make because his coach in kitchner is steve spott, which leaves one spot left. And I feel they are going to go for pedigree over whos having the better camp which means Dumba over Corrado. Would I agree if this was the route they took no, because Dumba has no lateral movement, where as it seems Corrado has some wheels.

We will just have to wait and see how thinks play out this afternoon

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Here are the pairings, posted at the end of last page:
Missed that, thanks...

Reinhart - Corrado
Wotherspoon - Dumba
Murphy - Sproul

Which of Murphy or Sproul is better at playing their "off-side" on the left? A bit of a drag to be forced out of position in your last game of evaluation.

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The major problem here is the last 2 spots are between corrado, dumba and murphy. Murphy is going to make because his coach in kitchner is steve spott, which leaves one spot left. And I feel they are going to go for pedigree over whos having the better camp which means Dumba over Corrado. Would I agree if this was the route they took no, because Dumba has no lateral movement, where as it seems Corrado has some wheels.

We will just have to wait and see how thinks play out this afternoon
You really think so? I don't know man. Cutting the d-man who has been the biggest standout in camp (positive) in favour of someone who has been the biggest standout (negative) sends a horrible message to the team IMO. I think it's already too late for Dumba to make it over Corrado.

Maybe they both make it and Murphy or Reinhart (doubtful) are cut, but I can't see a scenario where Dumba makes it in Corrado's place. Maybe I'm just blinded by their opposite end of the scales play so far.

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Corrado also stood out in his one SSS game playing alongside Dougie Hamilton and scoring the GWG. 3 goals in 3 showcase games for him. Still, I think he'll have to show really well today to make it. I think that's also why Pouliot was cut — he was good but not great and, IMO, as an "outsider" you need to really stand out in all the attemps you get.

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Thoughts on Anthony Camara?

How's he looked? Chances to make the team?

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