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12-13-2012, 10:40 AM
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Baseball Prospectus Jays top 10

1. C Travis d'Arnaud
2. RHP Noah Syndergaard
3. RHP Aaron Sanchez
4. LHP Sean Nolin
5. CF D.J. Davis
6. RHP Roberto Osuna
7. LHP Daniel Norris
8. RHP Marcus Stroman
9. LHP Matt Smoral
10. RHP Alberto Tirado
LOL Still crazy good! even after the trade. Pitching depth is through the roof. I'm really high on Smoral, I think in the next few years he's going to fly through our system. The guy is a beast. I think he's around 6 ft 8 or something like that. Huge lefty

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It's still a really solid system prolly in the #5-#10 ranked area.

Lots of young upside arms left.
A little too young though. Drabek, Hutchison, McGuire and Jenkins sort of put the Jays a few years back in terms of steady arms.

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Plus we should get a solid prospect in this years draft (#10?)

I'm hoping for a position player this time.

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Baseball Prospectus Jays top 10

1. C Travis d'Arnaud
2. RHP Noah Syndergaard
3. RHP Aaron Sanchez
4. LHP Sean Nolin
5. CF D.J. Davis
6. RHP Roberto Osuna
7. LHP Daniel Norris
8. RHP Marcus Stroman
9. LHP Matt Smoral
10. RHP Alberto Tirado
How many of those guys will crack the top 100 you think? 5?

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LOL Still crazy good! even after the trade. Pitching depth is through the roof. I'm really high on Smoral, I think in the next few years he's going to fly through our system. The guy is a beast. I think he's around 6 ft 8 or something like that. Huge lefty
Smoral just needs to stay healthy, and he'll be on the Syndergaard\Sanchez\Nicolino piggybacking, innings limit route. He's a first round talent. Osuna will move quicker than him, IMO, simply due to the nature of his ridiculously advanced physical maturity for his age.

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Plus we should get a solid prospect in this years draft (#10?)

I'm hoping for a position player this time.
SS or 1B. When was the last time this organization drafted a legit high skilled SS? Alex Gonzalez? Reyes is here for a while but we need to draft a good SS eventually and it has been one of our weaknesses for a long time now.

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How many of those guys will crack the top 100 you think? 5?
Could be as many as eight, though the only locks are d'Arnaud, Syndergaard and Sanchez. d'Arnaud should be top ten, the other two top 40, at minimum.

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Plus we should get a solid prospect in this years draft (#10?)

I'm hoping for a position player this time.
I like Bryant or Moran.

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If I was AA, I would tell Boni to train/practice at second. With the bat, I take him over Izturis, but defensively I take Izturis. So if Boni could just practice there some more, it would be great.

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I like Bryant or Moran.
Speaking of, when is the draft?

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Plus we should get a solid prospect in this years draft (#10?)

I'm hoping for a position player this time.
A high potential 2B/SS would be ideal.

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Could be as many as eight, though the only locks are d'Arnaud, Syndergaard and Sanchez. d'Arnaud should be top ten, the other two top 40, at minimum.
Syndergaard will probably go top 30, and Sanchez top 40. D'Arnaud should definitely be top 10.

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who was our highly regarded near ready pitching prospect that got hurt last yr in ther minors?

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There wasn't one?

All of our ML ready pitching prospects got hurt with the Jays

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There wasn't one?

All of our ML ready pitching prospects got hurt with the Jays
I think he means Hutchison. It's a shame too, he would be an OK number 5 next season.

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12-13-2012, 10:59 AM
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A high potential 2B/SS would be ideal.



Syndergaard will probably go top 30, and Sanchez top 40. D'Arnaud should definitely be top 10.
Keep going for those through international signings. You hate to waste early picks on high potential HS kids, their bust rate is off the charts.

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Keep going for those through international signings. You hate to waste early picks on high potential HS kids, their bust rate is off the charts.
Do you mean for 2B/SS? If their is a high potential uni one it wouldnt be so bad, but he'd have to drop to us.

Likely we take a University pitcher, as long as its not another Mcguire or Jenkins.

Mark Appel was a potential first overall pick that did not sign in 2012 (he wanted to finish playing at Stanford, and likely get his degree). Maybe he'll fall to us .

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12-13-2012, 11:19 AM
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nope not hutchinson
let me look...

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12-13-2012, 11:24 AM
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Whoa, check out the Alberto Tirado scouting report. High praise.
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10. Alberto Tirado
Position: RHP
DOB: 12/10/1994
Height/Weight: 6’1’’ 177 lbs.
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Acquired: International free agent, 2011, Dominican Republic
2012 Stats: 2.68 ERA (37.0 IP, 28 H, 34 K, 12 BB) at rookie level GCL; 2.45 ERA (11 IP, 4 H, 5 K, 5 BB) at rookie-level Bluefield
The Tools: 6 FB; 6 potential SL; 6 potential CH

What Happened in 2012: Making his professional debut, the 17-year-old Tirado turned heads in the Gulf Coast League before making three starts in the Appalachian League, where his precocious arsenal held the older completion to just four hits in 11 innings.

Strengths: Extremely loose arm; delivery is easy and smooth; arm is very quick; fastball already works comfortably in the plus range and has touched even higher; very explosive pitch; good life at the end; slider already flashes plus, and one source said it could end up as a 7; changeup could be third plus offering, with advanced action and deception; good overall feel for pitching; glowing reports based on short-burst viewings.

Weaknesses: Needs to add strength; questions about the ability to hold velocity deeper into games; arm can get whippy and fastball command affected; limited professional experience

Overall Future Potential: High 6; no. 2 starter

Explanation of Risk: Extreme risk; only 18 years old; small professional sample; has yet to achieve a full-season league

Fantasy Future: Shows an electric arsenal as a teenager, with bat-missing stuff and some feel. Could be special.

The Year Ahead: All of the reports have been glowing, but the professional sample is very small and Tirado has only made three appearances away from the complex level. This is a rough sketch of what he could become, which will need revision almost immediately, as the 18-year-old has a long way to go before the short-season hype transforms into an accepted reality. 2013 will tell us more, and if the limited reports received in 2012 are correct, the Jays might have another monster on their hands. The arm is very fast and loose, and the velocity comes easy. Both the slider and the changeup are already flashing plus potential, and the bow on the package is a feel for pitching that you don’t often find in complex level arms. Keep an eye on this kid.
Sean Nolin is pretty good too.
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4. Sean Nolin
Position: LHP
DOB: 12/26/1989
Height/Weight: 6’5’’ 235 lbs.
Bats/Throws: L/L
Drafted/Acquired: 6th round, 2010 draft, San Jacinto College North (Houston, TX)
2012 Stats: 2.19 ERA (86.1 IP, 72 H, 90 K, 21 BB) at High-A Dunedin; 1.20 ERA (15.0
IP, 9 H, 18 K, 6 BB) at Double-A New Hampshire
The Tools: Plus FB; Plus CH; 5 CB; 5 SL

What Happened in 2012: The former sixth-round pick jumped into the prospect spotlight, maturing with each start at the High-A level and putting himself in a position to reach the major leagues in 2013.

Strengths: Big, sturdy frame; physical; repeatable mechanics; some deception; fastball works well in the low-90s with good arm-side movement; shows good command of the pitch; changeup is plus offering; thrown with excellent arm speed and good action; very strong pitch; slider also holds good fastball disguise; effective breaking ball to left-handers, with late tilt; curveball can play as average offering, with good shape and velocity separation from rest of arsenal; plus pitchability.

Weaknesses: Lacks high-end knockout pitch; often works in average velocity range; can lose bite on breaking balls; can spend too much time in the zone; will be more reliant on sequence and location at higher levels.

Overall Future Potential: 6; no. 3 starter

Explanation of Risk: Moderate risk; mature arsenal; already has three starts at Double-A level; doesn’t need major grade jumps to compete at highest level

Fantasy Future: Has the body and the arsenal to log innings and encourage weak contact; strikeout totals dependent on development of out-pitch breaking ball, but has shown ability to spike fastball velocity when needed and miss bats.

The Year Ahead: Nolin looks to be on the fast-track, and if he performs well at the Double-A level, he could reach the majors at some point during the season. Some sources think his arsenal is on the way up, especially if the slider develops into a consistent plus offering and the changeup continues to work in that range. With a deep arsenal and a good feel for pitching, Nolin has all the characteristics of a mid-rotation arm.
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Prospects On the Rise:
1.C Santiago Nessy: Everybody likes catchers with power potential and the defensive chops to stick behind the plate, and the 20-year-old Nessy fits that bill. Still raw on both sides of the ball, the Venezuelan has a high ceiling and is a good candidate to take a step forward in 2013 and move up into the Top 10.

2. RHP Chase DeJong: A 2nd round draft pick in 2012, DeJong has a prototypical starter’s build, with excellent projection. In his brief complex-league debut, his fastball was working in the solid-average range, but should become a plus pitch down the line, and his secondary arsenal (curve/change) also showed above-average potential. Yet another Toronto arm with a high ceiling.

3. OF/IF Franklin Barreto: Viewed by many as the top international target available in 2012, Barretto might be small in stature, but his tools can pack a loud punch. While his ultimate role is unclear, his athleticism and overall feel for the game open up numerous possibilities, and his ability to sting a baseball could be his ticket up the prospect lists regardless of his position on the diamond.

Factors on the Farm (Prospects likely to contribute at the ML level in 2013
1. RHP Deck McGuire: Selected with the 11th overall pick in the 2010 draft, McGuire was supposed to be a fast-track starter, projected by some to reach the majors in 2012 and to hold down a profile of a mid-rotation arm at worst. The Georgia Tech product has been dogged by command issues and a solid-average arsenal that finds too many barrels, but with some additional refinement, could find himself at the major-league level in 2013, chewing innings at the back of the rotation.

2. RHP John Stilson: The debate rages on as to Stilson’s ultimate role, whether his starter’s arsenal keeps him in a rotation or his short-burst potential and max-effort mechanics push him into a high-leverage relief role, his eventual major league contribution looks assured. That’s quite a career turnaround from his pre-draft days, when a shoulder injury pushed him out of the first-round and looked to kill a promising career before it even started.

3. IF Ryan Goins: While not the sexiest prospect in the system, the former 4th round pick out of Dallas Baptist played well in his Double-A debut, putting himself into consideration for a utility role at some point during the 2013 season.
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Top 10 Talents 25 and Under (born 4/1/87 or later)

Brett Lawrie
Travis D’Arnaud
Noah Syndergaard
Anthony Gose
Aaron Sanchez
Drew Hutchison
Sean Nolin
DJ Davis
Roberto Osuna
Kyle Drabek

Toronto’s farm system has been loaded for the past several years, but now Alex Anthopoulos and the Jays’ front office can boast a wealth of talent at or close to the highest level. Trading Henderson Alvarez, Adeiny Hechavarria, Jake Marisnick, Justin Nicolino, and Henderson Alvarez stung, but the juice was worth the squeeze; Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, and Emilio Bonifacio provide enough of a jolt to make the club extremely competitive in 2013 and beyond.

Despite the mega-trade, the Blue Jays have a powerful group of talented young players. Lawrie is one of the most exciting youngsters in the game. D’Arnaud, and Gose have big upside and should see chances to tap into that upside in Toronto very soon. Syndergaard and Sanchez could force their way into the top of the rotation down the line. Hutchinson and Drabek had Tommy John surgery in 2012, but both have the stuff to fit in big league rotations long-term. Toronto’s process seems to be working; the team has turned minor leaguers into major leaguers and continues to restock the farm with high upside talent (Norris, Stroman, Smoral, Tirado). AA and the Jays are a legitimate and scary organization. –Hudson Belinsky

A Parting Thought: The Jays have more legit pitching prospects than should be legally allowed, even after trimming off some prospect meat for use in recent trades.
Not going to be post every report because that would be really long but you can read it here. http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/foru...jays&tid=87896

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12-13-2012, 11:27 AM
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ok i dont think he was hurt - just really struggled this season
he was once a top 10 jays prospect i remember

5-15 5.88 at new hampshire this season

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#bluejays 2012 3rd round pick RT @mcmurphyespn: Southern Miss true freshman QB Anthony Alford has been granted release from school

Well, this is interesting. Wonder if he might focus on just baseball now or maybe go to another school instead? At this point, focusing on baseball would probably be best for him.

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#bluejays 2012 3rd round pick RT @mcmurphyespn: Southern Miss true freshman QB Anthony Alford has been granted release from school

Well, this is interesting. Wonder if he might focus on just baseball now or maybe go to another school instead? At this point, focusing on baseball would probably be best for him.
Was worth the gamble if this is indeed true. I wonder what his reason was for leaving, other than the obvious "I wanna play baseball"

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ok i dont think he was hurt - just really struggled this season
he was once a top 10 jays prospect i remember

5-15 5.88 at new hampshire this season
Ricky Romero syndrom? Loss of the command, and applying to much mental pressure. Hopefully he can figure out his problems, we could use depth in AAA.

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well he's 6'6 and only 22
hardly one to give up on

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#bluejays 2012 3rd round pick RT @mcmurphyespn: Southern Miss true freshman QB Anthony Alford has been granted release from school

Well, this is interesting. Wonder if he might focus on just baseball now or maybe go to another school instead? At this point, focusing on baseball would probably be best for him.
I don't think he can play ball at school. He has a pro contract. Football only for him if he wants to stay in school. Well US school anyway. The granted part of that quote stands out to me. The leaves you to believe he asked to be released.

BTW thanks for the scouting reports. Tirado sounds like yet another sick prospect to watch. Loved the comment at the end that it shouldn't be legal for one team to have so many high ceiling arms in one system

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