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12-09-2012, 01:21 PM
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I'd choose Lidstrom because he is easily the better player. More cups, more Norris Trophies, a Conn Smythe, etc.
What about Lidstrom's Hart trophy?

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12-09-2012, 02:04 PM
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It's sad whenever a guy's career ends because of injuries, even more so when it's a guy like Pronger. He was a true team leader on the blue line, the kind of guy that always brought his best to the playoffs. He's been involved in some questionable/dirty plays over the years, but what can't be denied is that he was a hugely important part of every team he's been on and a big reason they had the success that they did. He, along with Pisani and Roloson were the guys that brought Edmonton to the finals in 06. With the Ducks, he was the catalyst of his team physically dominating the Sens in the cup final. Chris Pronger was the complete package. Leadership, tremendous offensive skills and a tough-as-nails defender who could shut down the best forwards on the other team.

Some of you may hold a grudge because of his dirty plays, I don't blame you, but at least recognize the good side of his game. There's a reason he's been a captain so many times.

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12-09-2012, 02:38 PM
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Might be done playing, but I highly doubt he retires before 2015.

Still has $17m+ remaining on the contract and the Flyers certainly don't want him to retire, even if he doesn't play again.
Agreed.

Marc Savard situation 2.0

I will miss Pronger, I own a Pronger jersey.

He was the biggest ******* in the league... and that's why I loved him

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12-09-2012, 04:26 PM
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What about Lidstrom's Hart trophy?
One Hart Trophy isn't all that significant. Jose Theodore also has one. Plus, many felt Jagr should have won it in 2000 including the players considering Jagr won the Pearson/Lindsay award.

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12-09-2012, 04:32 PM
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As with Pronger, he was taken to school by Patrick Kane in 2010. He's generally had a tougher time with the smaller, skilled players.
That's absolutely not true, Kane only scored one goal in the finals when Pronger was on the ice. Outside of game 5, Pronger was great that series.

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12-09-2012, 04:38 PM
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Lidstrom>Pronger>>>>>>>>>>>>Niedermayer from last gen

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12-09-2012, 05:09 PM
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...and was the ultimate playoff choker with those dominant Blues teams.
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Chris Pronger was the modern day Joe Thornton before Joe Thornton became known as the choke artist. His Blues teams were quite dominant during the regular season, some years on par with the Wings.

The quoted posts are complete BS. I witnessed every one of Pronger's playoff games with the Blues, he was an excellent player throughout. Even in 95-96 after a disappointing regular season(young player, new team), he completely redeemed himself in the playoffs. Chris Pronger has never been a playoff choker, that is lazy analysis.

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12-09-2012, 05:13 PM
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Even as an Avs fan I had nothing against Niklas Lidstrom but he's starting to get me annoyed because every good dman thread turns into a debate about Lidstrom vs ....

Look on the History of Hockey forum, Lidstrom vs Bourque, Lidstrom vs MacInnis, it just goes on and on. He was one of the best dmen to play the game and so was Pronger within the past few decades, just leave it at that.

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12-09-2012, 06:08 PM
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epitome of a player that you hate but would love to have on your team.. sad his career had to end this way anyway. karma is a *****.

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12-09-2012, 08:00 PM
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Hopefully he retires for the sake of his own health

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12-10-2012, 05:54 AM
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Nick Lidstrom stole the Norris from Pronger in 2007. Who was the most dominant player in the playoffs from 2006 to 2010? Pronger was and I think by a pretty comfortable margin to

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12-10-2012, 06:01 AM
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Really sad a great career had to come to an end like this...

Will always remember his time in Edmonton, the best defenseman I've personally got to watch wearing an Oilers jersey. He was a terrific player for them.



We all know who calls the shots in that relationship.
Cheap shots?

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12-10-2012, 06:30 AM
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Great career.
Would be nice to see him play again, but it could be bad for his health.

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12-10-2012, 08:27 AM
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Pronger was a real hockey player. At a time when the league is getting more and more wimpy Pronger was a breath of fresh air. Also comparing Lidstrom with Pronger is difficult-they both had completely different styles and were very successful.

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12-10-2012, 10:59 AM
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Good riddance, Pronger is a dirty A-hole and maybe all his attempts to injure other players are coming back to bite him, I hate Pronger.
Nice avatar.

Scott Niedermayer disapproves of your post.

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12-10-2012, 04:21 PM
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I respected how he controlled the play a lot of the times when he was on the ice. I really noticed this at games in person.

This just made me think of Al MacInnis. That guy was awesome.

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12-10-2012, 04:47 PM
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Nick Lidstrom stole the Norris from Pronger in 2007. Who was the most dominant player in the playoffs from 2006 to 2010? Pronger was and I think by a pretty comfortable margin to
How could he steal the Norris from Pronger when Pronger wasn't even considered the best defenseman on his team? Are you forgetting that Niedermayer had significantly more Norris votes than Pronger? That was a two-horse race, and Pronger might have been a strong 3rd, but he was still a ways behind Niedermayer and Lidstrom.

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How could he steal the Norris from Pronger when Pronger wasn't even considered the best defenseman on his team? Are you forgetting that Niedermayer had significantly more Norris votes than Pronger? That was a two-horse race, and Pronger might have been a strong 3rd, but he was still a ways behind Niedermayer and Lidstrom.
It's easier to just spout nonsense as fact than to actually think about it.

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Nick Lidstrom stole the Norris from Pronger in 2007. Who was the most dominant player in the playoffs from 2006 to 2010? Pronger was and I think by a pretty comfortable margin to
Pronger missing 16 games cost him whatever chance at a Norris he may have had that year. If he played all 82 games he may have had a shot but ultimately I think it still goes to Lidstrom with Niedermayer/Pronger splitting votes and coming in second/third.


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12-10-2012, 05:29 PM
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Certainly one of the most dominating physical presences of the era, he cleared so much space in front of the net.

He also took 3 different teams to a Cup, which is pretty impressive considering the parity of the league since the lockout.

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12-13-2012, 11:39 AM
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How could he steal the Norris from Pronger when Pronger wasn't even considered the best defenseman on his team? Are you forgetting that Niedermayer had significantly more Norris votes than Pronger? That was a two-horse race, and Pronger might have been a strong 3rd, but he was still a ways behind Niedermayer and Lidstrom.
I like Niedermayer a lot more than Pronger. But make no mistake-Pronger WAS better than Niedermayer throughout their careers. 2007 was no different. it's because Pronger only played in 66 games.

Would you suggest that Patrice Bergeron was better than Crosby last year? After all he had more Hart votes than Crobsy did.

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12-13-2012, 11:55 AM
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I like Niedermayer a lot more than Pronger. But make no mistake-Pronger WAS better than Niedermayer throughout their careers. 2007 was no different. it's because Pronger only played in 66 games.

Would you suggest that Patrice Bergeron was better than Crosby last year? After all he had more Hart votes than Crobsy did.
Bergeron was better than Crosby. Crosby played 22 games. Bergeron was second his team in points and won the Selke.

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12-13-2012, 12:20 PM
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The quoted posts are complete BS. I witnessed every one of Pronger's playoff games with the Blues, he was an excellent player throughout. Even in 95-96 after a disappointing regular season(young player, new team), he completely redeemed himself in the playoffs. Chris Pronger has never been a playoff choker, that is lazy analysis.
I wouldn't put much stock into what that guy says. Every person who has ever played for Philly is overrated and a playoff choker. I really don't think he watches games between his comments here and the baseball forum where he was made to look completely stupid with his Cliff Lee statements. Pronger is the complete opposite of a playoff choker. This isn't a thread about Henrik Lundqvuist who's gotten out of the 2nd round once in his entire career. Saying Kane owned Pronger in the Finals is complete BS that someone would say if they didn't even watch and saw the series ending goal.


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This sucks. He was one of my favorite non Avs of all time. Wish him the best.

Looks no more Selanne, now Pronger. Ducks were sure lucky to have those players.

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Bergeron was better than Crosby. Crosby played 22 games. Bergeron was second his team in points and won the Selke.
you missed the point of him saying that

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