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12-12-2012, 07:04 PM
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Edler + Schneider

Lets say Canucks couldn't re-sign Alex Edler for whatever reason and there would be a shortened 2012-13 season. What would you trade for Edler and Schneider?

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12-12-2012, 07:25 PM
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a kings ransom...

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Lets say Canucks couldn't re-sign Alex Edler for whatever reason and there would be a shortened 2012-13 season. What would you trade for Edler and Schneider?
Yakupov and a Prospect . If the Oilers talk to him first and he signs an Contract

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12-12-2012, 07:33 PM
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Not as much as we'd get trading them individually.

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Not as much as we'd get trading them individually.
Chicken dinner.

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Yakupov and a Prospect . If the Oilers talk to him first and he signs an Contract
Not a fan of the canucks or the oilers so take this as an un biased LOL.

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12-12-2012, 09:35 PM
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I really wouldn't be interested in doing this unless we were getting a return around something like Kessel/Kane.

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12-13-2012, 11:51 AM
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I really wouldn't be interested in doing this unless we were getting a return around something like Kessel/Kane.
you could get more than that

Edler is a top pairing d-man and Corey is a potential franchise goalie... Franchise goalies alone are worth more than offensive wingers.

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12-13-2012, 12:31 PM
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If the Flyers didn't have Bryz I'd offer something like Simmonds +, probably a 1st since the Flyers don't have too many good prospects. Would Vancouver have any interest in Gustafsson?

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12-13-2012, 12:51 PM
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If the Flyers didn't have Bryz I'd offer something like Simmonds +, probably a 1st since the Flyers don't have too many good prospects. Would Vancouver have any interest in Gustafsson?
Well, you would start with Couts and keep adding from there.

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Well, you would start with Couts and keep adding from there.
Just so I'm clear, we're talking about an unsigned, UFA-to-be Edler, as well as Schneider?

I guess that depends on how highly you value Schneider, but the return for Edler would not be anything close to some of what is suggested above. If the deep-pocket, contending Canucks can't get him resigned to an extension, it would suggest Edler wants to test free agency. In that case, the team acquiring him is getting a short-term rental.

Anyway, the Flyers are a poor fit. They have their goalie, for better or worse.

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Well, you would start with Couts and keep adding from there.
Just in case you dont know, Edler is UFA...

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12-13-2012, 01:07 PM
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Just in case you dont know, Edler is UFA...
In case you didn't know, Edler >> Couturier in terms of being an impact player.

In fact, also Schneider > Couturier in terms of being an impact player.

Edler + Schneider for Couturier, Voracek, 1st is a return I would want in order to deal both of them.

And yes, Edler only has one year left, but we are giving up the two best players in a deal like that. Not to mention plenty of players on 1-year deals have gotten high returns in the past.

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And yes, Edler only has one year left, but we are giving up the two best players in a deal like that. Not to mention plenty of players on 1-year deals have gotten high returns in the past.
It doesn't matter if Edler and Schneider are the two best players in the deal. Unless the team trading for them is guaranteed that Edler re-signs, they won't give up absolutely equal value, at least not initially. I suggested Simmonds + for as a starting point primarily for Edler since the Flyers already have Bryzgalov. My bad for not mentioning that. If this is only about Edler + Schneider as a package then the Flyers probably won't be interested unless Bryzgalov goes the other way, which is unlikely since Luongo would still be there

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It doesn't matter if Edler and Schneider are the two best players in the deal. Unless the team trading for them is guaranteed that Edler re-signs, they won't give up absolutely equal value, at least not initially. I suggested Simmonds + for as a starting point primarily for Edler since the Flyers already have Bryzgalov. My bad for not mentioning that. If this is only about Edler + Schneider as a package then the Flyers probably won't be interested unless Bryzgalov goes the other way, which is unlikely since Luongo would still be there
Oh, sorry I misunderstood. If it's just Edler I'd prefer Voracek over Simmonds as a base as he'd fit our needs better(playmaking RW), with maybe a 1st conditional on you re-signing him.

But either way I don't see us dealing Edler without getting a replacement top-4 D first.

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Maybe at most a couple picks probably and a grinder most likely.

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Just so I'm clear, we're talking about an unsigned, UFA-to-be Edler, as well as Schneider?

I guess that depends on how highly you value Schneider, but the return for Edler would not be anything close to some of what is suggested above. If the deep-pocket, contending Canucks can't get him resigned to an extension, it would suggest Edler wants to test free agency. In that case, the team acquiring him is getting a short-term rental.

Anyway, the Flyers are a poor fit. They have their goalie, for better or worse.
It would be because the cap dropped significantly and they couldn't afford to keep him, nothing to do with spending to the cap. They'll spend to the cap with or without him.

If he was traded before the season I would expect a return similar to Burns, but slightly less due to the shortened season. He returned a #6/7 forward, good prospect and a 1st. Therefore I don't really see where the logic of picks/grinders comes in.

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Maybe at most a couple picks probably and a grinder most likely.
So Peckham, Hemsky and a 4th then? Terrible deal for Vancouver.

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would it be a deadline deal?

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12-13-2012, 06:14 PM
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This makes no sense. The Canucks are probably going to build their back end around these two guys, not move them.

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Is this a joke? Ryder and Halak don't play on the same team?

Are you 12?
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I highly doubt Vancouver would move him at the deadline regardless...they are a lock to at least make the playoffs and will need him once there. They'll roll the dice and try to resign him for sure. If not, his rights become worth a 4th rd pick probably?

However...

If he was signed, we're looking at the Brent Burns Trade at a bare minimum. As an impending UFA, he returned a top six fwd, albeit a low ranking one by all counts, a B prospect and a late first.

Your probably looking at the frame work of that trade...except better. A forward that is a solid second liner, not one that struggles there, an A prospect, not blue chip by any means, but a really good one and a 1st rd...and depending on where that is probably a 2nd as well. You could do a top four defensemen as well.

Thats just for Edler.

As for Schneider...probably a top line fwd, or something similar to the edler package.

From the jets, fair value(not saying i would do it...but for the sake of value and because it is the team i am the most familiar with)

E.Kane, Burmistrov, Klingberg/Kosmachuk, 1st, 2nd.

Once again...not saying id do it...but i think thats pretty fair value.

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Not a fan of the canucks or the oilers so take this as an un biased LOL.
I know , but as an Oiler fan I hate the Canucks and can not bring myself to offer much . Also they are not going to get much for an unsigned Edler and i would not trade Yakupov for Schneider .

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I highly doubt Vancouver would move him at the deadline regardless...they are a lock to at least make the playoffs and will need him once there. They'll roll the dice and try to resign him for sure. If not, his rights become worth a 4th rd pick probably?

However...

If he was signed, we're looking at the Brent Burns Trade at a bare minimum. As an impending UFA, he returned a top six fwd, albeit a low ranking one by all counts, a B prospect and a late first.

Your probably looking at the frame work of that trade...except better. A forward that is a solid second liner, not one that struggles there, an A prospect, not blue chip by any means, but a really good one and a 1st rd...and depending on where that is probably a 2nd as well. You could do a top four defensemen as well.

Thats just for Edler.

As for Schneider...probably a top line fwd, or something similar to the edler package.

From the jets, fair value(not saying i would do it...but for the sake of value and because it is the team i am the most familiar with)

E.Kane, Burmistrov, Klingberg/Kosmachuk, 1st, 2nd.

Once again...not saying id do it...but i think thats pretty fair value.
Nice analysis. I agree.

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you could get more than that

Edler is a top pairing d-man and Corey is a potential franchise goalie... Franchise goalies alone are worth more than offensive wingers.
Cory is a potential franchise goalie means he is not worth more then an Offensive wings until he proves himself a franchise goalie

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