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06-27-2012, 03:39 PM
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I'm totally with you on that one.

Although I must admit: it is hilarious to see folks get excited about some minor moves each offseason.... yeah like trading a few players is going to somehow magically alter 20 years of bad decisions and MLB's total lack of parity. It's like shuffling chairs on the Titanic.

You got a big lol out of me, congrats.


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06-27-2012, 03:39 PM
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Hah actually I was trying to get something set up where you could watch live thru my site.

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That would be awesome, just as long as you don't draw too much attention to it and get it shut down

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06-27-2012, 03:45 PM
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That would be awesome, just as long as you don't draw too much attention to it and get it shut down
Haha, bookmark it. That's all I'm going to say about it

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06-27-2012, 08:50 PM
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Random thought, but I really hope Staal tears it up in Carolina. I'd like to see the two Staal brothers form one of the more potent lines in the league. It would just be cool to see.

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06-27-2012, 09:15 PM
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Random thought, but I really hope Staal tears it up in Carolina. I'd like to see the two Staal brothers form one of the more potent lines in the league. It would just be cool to see.
I think they'll expand it further than that, but I agree, and them on the same PP could be a real treat.

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12-12-2012, 11:16 PM
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I still love this trade as a Penguins fan. Pouliot is a high risk pick (one I feel that will pan out) but looking back, I don't know if there was a much better option at 8.

Now that you've had a few months to have it settle in, and with the lockout going on with no end in sight (meaning Staal would've walked for absolutely nothing), does that change the opinion of anyone initially against this trade?

Also, I have AHL Live for the Houston Aeros and I haven't had a chance to look up how Dumoulin has looked on the Penguins (plus the box score isn't always the best indicator), what's the general consensus of his play?

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12-12-2012, 11:29 PM
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I still love this trade as a Penguins fan. Pouliot is a high risk pick (one I feel that will pan out) but looking back, I don't know if there was a much better option at 8.

Now that you've had a few months to have it settle in, and with the lockout going on with no end in sight (meaning Staal would've walked for absolutely nothing), does that change the opinion of anyone initially against this trade?

Also, I have AHL Live for the Houston Aeros and I haven't had a chance to look up how Dumoulin has looked on the Penguins (plus the box score isn't always the best indicator), what's the general consensus of his play?
I loved the trade, it was evident Staal was going to be traded. I honestly gained an enormous amount of respect for Rutherford. He made a hockey deal even with the knowledge that Staal would walk straight into his organization during FA.

I won't lie, I was at my sisters wedding and came home to see the trade and was confused with the Pouliot pick. With that said, people forget that the 2012 draft was weak. Really weak IMO. The Pens got a potential #3 puck moving d-man and a Maatta to boot. If people ***** about that then...wow...

When I saw the trade I was hoping for Sutter+Faulk, but Dumoulin+DePo+Sutter seems about the same value. I'm a BC fan so I've seen a lot of Dumoulin. He will reach his potential of a 2nd pairing d-man. Bank that. And IMHO he's been the most consistent WBS Penguin D-man. The argument could be made for Reese too.

Overall, an amazing deal. Maintain the 3C model and added invaluable assets.

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12-12-2012, 11:31 PM
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I like Sutter's game. I have his jersey shirt sitting next to me!

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12-13-2012, 12:03 AM
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Still happy with what he got for Staal. Still would have liked to see Trouba taken instead of Pouliot. A younger Orpik, with a veterna Orpik to mentor him? Yes, please.

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12-13-2012, 08:48 AM
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More than happy with it and was before. Now there's no question it was the right thing to do and even if Staal hadn't forced Shero's hand, you can bet the CBA thing figured into his calculus. He knew that this year more than others "keeping him for one last Cup run before he leaves" was a risky proposition that might provide no value at all. And it looks like that's exactly where we're headed. Meantime Dumoulin looking really good in WBS / like a very solid pick up that can pay immediate dividends for us if someone gets hurt or is moved / waived.

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12-13-2012, 09:12 AM
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Loved the deal then, minus the Pouliot pick, love the deal now (down with Pouliot but just felt there were better players and impact fowards at that spot). That deal made me feel good about Ray's relationship with GM's and the respect they have for each other. Great hockey trade for both sides. I really think I'm going to love Dumoulin and Sutter is a really enjoyable player. I will miss Staal, but as a hockey fan, I'm excited to see him get more opportunity on another team.

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12-13-2012, 10:37 AM
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I'm still happy with the trade. I am glad that we didn't lose Staal for absolutely nothing like I thought we would. In fact, we got a good deal considering the circumstances. I know that I will love Sutter and Dumoulin (if he makes it).

With that being said, I wouldn't have taken Pouliot. Nothing against him but I really thought this was our time to restock our offensive cupboard and potentially get a star. I was wanted Grigorenko badly and at pick 8 (even despite his shortcomings) his talent was well worth the risk.

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I'm still happy with the trade. I am glad that we didn't lose Staal for absolutely nothing like I thought we would. In fact, we got a good deal considering the circumstances. I know that I will love Sutter and Dumoulin (if he makes it).

With that being said, I wouldn't have taken Pouliot. Nothing against him but I really thought this was our time to restock our offensive cupboard and potentially get a star. I was wanted Grigorenko badly and at pick 8 (even despite his shortcomings) his talent was well worth the risk.
Grigorenko is one of the forwards that I would've wanted. After the trade was announced, I kept thinking about everything that I read about Filip Forsberg before the draft and was elated, we didn't pick him. I admit that the Pouliot selection was sort of a reach, but it could end up being a great selection if his offensive game translates well in the NHL. I haven't been following his play on his junior team but when he was Morrow's defensive partner a few years ago, did those two have good enough chemistry that it makes this selection, an easier pill to swallow?

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More than happy with it and was before. Now there's no question it was the right thing to do and even if Staal hadn't forced Shero's hand, you can bet the CBA thing figured into his calculus. He knew that this year more than others "keeping him for one last Cup run before he leaves" was a risky proposition that might provide no value at all. And it looks like that's exactly where we're headed. Meantime Dumoulin looking really good in WBS / like a very solid pick up that can pay immediate dividends for us if someone gets hurt or is moved / waived.

Trust the Ray.
Good to hear about Dumoulin. I don't know a whole lot about him, is he a physical shut down defenseman?

if AHL Live wasn't so overpriced to watch all the teams, I would've ordered that and tried to watch some Penguins games by now.

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12-13-2012, 12:30 PM
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Great trade, bad pick.

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I think I would have taken Trouba, not that Pouliot is a bad choice, but his size scares me a bit. He's putting on mass, though, which is a great sign.

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Great trade, bad pick.

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I don't always appreciate your tone in discussions (not that you need my approval), but this was a very amusing and appropriate response. Well done

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For those who wanted Grigorenko, could you really see any future with the Pens for him? The guy is a pure center, and a pure Top-6 one at that. We are still set in that position for a long time with Sid and Geno, so there would literally be no room for him on the roster.

Now if you want to argue that he was BPA at that point, and that the Pens could've flipped him for a promising wing prospect to a team needing a center prospee, then I could see your point, but if you're not...

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I don't always appreciate your tone in discussions (not that you need my approval), but this was a very amusing and appropriate response. Well done
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I don't always appreciate your tone in discussions (not that you need my approval), but this was a very amusing and appropriate response. Well done
He is Mr. Jiggyfly, and no, he doesn't need your approval. He is (in the world of HF) a constant, like the law of gravity (If you believe in gravity).

On the Penguins board he is the closest thing we have to the Alpha and Omega. You short timers need to know your place.

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For those who wanted Grigorenko, could you really see any future with the Pens for him? The guy is a pure center, and a pure Top-6 one at that. We are still set in that position for a long time with Sid and Geno, so there would literally be no room for him on the roster.

Now if you want to argue that he was BPA at that point, and that the Pens could've flipped him for a promising wing prospect to a team needing a center prospee, then I could see your point, but if you're not...
At the time, I did think Grigorenko was BPA and probably still do. Did I see any future with the Pens for him? Maybe. That's like asking if I see a future with Pouliot since we have all these defensemen in front of him. Who really knows what's going to happen? Grigorenko could bust. Malkin could leave for Detroit. Crosby could have a career-ending injury. I'm obviously exaggerating to make my point but since when is having too many quality centermen a problem? At worst, we flip one of them to feel another need when the time comes.

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If we could redo that pick, I'd definitely pick either Forsberg or Trouba. The more and more the season goes on, the less and less I'm feeling good about Pouliot. I don't know how confident I am of defenders out of the WHL in a whole right now. Too offensive of a style in that league. That's why you see players that are undrafted scoring 2 points per game. That is why I love the OHL the best, it is the strongest league of the 3. In my opinion, Harrington and Maatta are better than Pouliot and Morrow.

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I think people are being way too hard on Pouliot and that's coming from someone who absolutely despised the pick at the time. He's not exactly underpeforming at over a PPG. Plus, I have heard from others that he's developing a more well-rounded game.

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I don't know how confident I am of defenders out of the WHL in a whole right now. Too offensive of a style in that league.

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As in, I'd rather pick a defender out of the OHL than the WHL. Of what I've seen, most defenders in the WHL are farther behind defensively than the defenders of the OHL. Just my opinion though. There's a reason that most games have about 8 or 9 goals scored in the WHL while most OHL games don't go above 6 or 7.

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