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12-13-2012, 02:00 PM
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I'd trade Luongo+Ballard. Eff Logic.

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12-13-2012, 02:18 PM
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If they wanted to move that huge contract during the old CBA, they weren't going to get back a bucket-load of prospects or picks. They would have been in the same boat as the Canucks with the Luongo/Schneider situation. Without seeing the landscape of a new CBA, the trade value of Luongo and Kovalchuk is impossible to predict.

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12-13-2012, 02:21 PM
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I don't know if Vignault and Kovalchuk are a real good match.
The easy answer is good bye Alain, hope you renos are complete.

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12-13-2012, 02:28 PM
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I don't think they want to have Elias playing center since he sucks on the face-offs. Don't think he has ever been above 46%. They've pretty much been forced to keep him there but I'm pretty sure they would switch him to the wing if they could. Hell, they've tried to take him off center before but they just don't have anyone else to take his spot.
Ah, didn't know that. Thanks.

I wouldn't mind Kesler and Kassian in the deal but I don't think we'd be adding. Perhaps Kesler, Kassian for Kovy and a pick?

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With rumours of Edler going...
What rumors?

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Speculation from Jason Botchford. If we used the 'e' system I'd classify it as about an (e0.0025)

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Speculation from Jason Botchford. If we used the 'e' system I'd classify it as about an (e0.0025)
Lol, link? Or what were the rumors about?

I'd do Schneider, Jensen, 1st for Kovy, 3rd.

But when I say I'd do, I really mean i think that's fair.

I don't want to trade Schneider, I want Lu gone.

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12-13-2012, 04:34 PM
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I'd do Schneider + Kassian + pick. Or something like that. Maybe include Raymond as well.
It'd probably be our first but I'd do it without a second thought. Flip something low-key to Toronto for Franson and ship out Ballard to make up the salary.

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12-13-2012, 04:39 PM
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Lol, link? Or what were the rumors about?

I'd do Schneider, Jensen, 1st for Kovy, 3rd.

But when I say I'd do, I really mean i think that's fair.

I don't want to trade Schneider, I want Lu gone.
Ehh, I forget the article. I think it's somewhere in the Luongo thread or the #1 d-man thread.

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12-13-2012, 04:47 PM
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Luongo/Schneider + Booth + Schroeder/2nd

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12-13-2012, 05:04 PM
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I'd be willing to trade Schneider, Schroeder and Edler if its looking like we can't afford Edler.

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Ya I don't see why a deal around Luongo doesn't work.

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I'd easily move Lu (or the assets we get for him) + Jensen + 1st + any left winger not named Daniel.

Getting Kovalchuk would be awesome.

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12-13-2012, 06:01 PM
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Luongo + Elder + 1st + Jensen or Kassian

Of course thats assuming the salary cap doesn't dive down...

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Luongo + Elder + 1st + Jensen or Kassian

Of course thats assuming the salary cap doesn't dive down...
I wouldn't add either prospect. People forget kovy is signed to eternity too

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Luongo/Schneider + Booth + Schroeder/2nd
About this. I'd up Schroeder/2nd to Schroeder/1st if Lu is chosen, and in the following situation, Ballard is chosen. I'd also give the option of Ballard or Booth, depending on needs (Booth would be chose 99% of the time I think).

I could concievably see Gillis offering one of Sauve, Connauton or Corrado if there's a bidding war too, but any higher and it's too rich for my blood.

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I wouldn't add either prospect. People forget kovy is signed to eternity too
That honestly doesn't bother me. Yet. We'll see how the CBA talks go, I suppose.

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I wouldn't add either prospect. People forget kovy is signed to eternity too
Let's not turn into Leaf fans here....there's nothing wrong with these kinds of contracts. At a $6M cap hit, Kovalchuk is a bargain.

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I wouldn't add either prospect. People forget kovy is signed to eternity too
Kovy at $6.6m is a damn steal. He would easily hit 50-60 goals, and we could plausibly have a 300+ point line between him and the Sedins.

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12-13-2012, 08:53 PM
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Kovalchuk is one of the greatest snipers to ever play the game. I'd trade anyone other than the Sedins for him.

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12-13-2012, 08:55 PM
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Luongo, Booth, Schroeder and a 2nd.
This is what I'd send.


Aren't cap circumventor contracts supposed to lower a players value? No matter how good they are? I know thats what we've been told.

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12-13-2012, 09:15 PM
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Vancouver is trying to get younger and I feel if they tried to add Kovalchuk it may strip what limited youth the team has.

I realize the Devils are likely to walk away from this deal, but i'd offer Luongo, Raymond, Gaunce, 1st...and even then I don't know if i'd pull the trigger. Kovalchuk just seems so far away from the type of player GHillis is trying to bring in.

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12-13-2012, 10:24 PM
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Vancouver is trying to get younger and I feel if they tried to add Kovalchuk it may strip what limited youth the team has.

I realize the Devils are likely to walk away from this deal, but i'd offer Luongo, Raymond, Gaunce, 1st...and even then I don't know if i'd pull the trigger. Kovalchuk just seems so far away from the type of player GHillis is trying to bring in.
While that was the calling point. If New Jersey is actively considering to move Kovalchuk, our plans abruptly change as a result. We have exactly the assets they would be looking for and would be foolish not to make a pitch. We can rebuild the prospect depth later on but good luck ever having an opportunity to run a juggernaut team that may arguably rival some of the dynasty teams in sheer scoring ability.

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12-14-2012, 02:23 AM
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Schneider should be really interesting for any team trying to rebuild. I guess if you add Kassian, Jensen etc. at some point it would be interesting for New Jersey, but we would end up with absolutely nothin 3-4 years from now.

We don't really have that one young player we could "sacrifice" for the "short-term" benefit of Kovalchuk. Neither do I believe we are desperate for the type of player Kovalchuk is - even if he is sensational.

I would offer Schneider and if I was a Devils-fan I probably wouldn't know if that was a joke or a serious offer. Got to be teams willing to give a lot more for Kovalchuk than what we are.

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What do you guys think Kovalchuk's numbers will look like in the next few years? I realize that he affects a game in many areas besides his offence - terrific defensive play, physical play, even dropping the mitts if it's called for. I also realize his offensive numbers have been held back while playing in New Jersey because NJ plays a defensive system.

But he is turning 30 this season. And from what I have read, goal scoring forwards tend to peak early in their careers.

So considering this, but also considering his elite talent and the system he plays in and all the other factors, what do you think his offensive numbers will look like in the coming years?



Here are his goal totals so far.

Age (at start of season) - Goal Total

18 - 29
19 - 38
20 - 41 -- Peak Beginning
21 - na
22 - 52
23 - 42
24 - 52
25 - 43
26 - 41 -- Peak End
27 - 31
28 - 37

He scored in the 40s or 50s every single season between ages 20 - 27. Was this his peak?

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