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12-13-2012, 03:00 PM
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^while not a true enforcer, Downie has had seasons of 208 and 171 PM...and he has a fair number of videos on HockeyFights.com
He's more an agitator who is more than willing to drop the gloves, and will stand up for his teammates. But he's still got the skills to score 40+ points in a season.

And, Hemsky seems to provide some of the same skills as PA Parenteau. Both about the same size, both shoot R, both are about 20G, 50A guys in the right situations. Hemsky probably has more skills, but PA has youth and a more favorable injury history.

What the Avs really need is another LW to play on that line. PA and Duchene could be a good combination, but who plays the LW? McGinn or Landeskog could both be interesting on that line, but that leaves a hole somewhere else.

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12-13-2012, 03:11 PM
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He's more an agitator who is more than willing to drop the gloves, and will stand up for his teammates. But he's still got the skills to score 40+ points in a season.

And, Hemsky seems to provide some of the same skills as PA Parenteau. Both about the same size, both shoot R, both are about 20G, 50A guys in the right situations. Hemsky probably has more skills, but PA has youth and a more favorable injury history.

What the Avs really need is another LW to play on that line. PA and Duchene could be a good combination, but who plays the LW? McGinn or Landeskog could both be interesting on that line, but that leaves a hole somewhere else.
As surprising as it may be, but Hemsky and Parenteau are actually both the same age (actually Hemsky is 5 months younger), so youth doesnt factor in. Also im not sure how you could call PA Parenteau a 20g 50A player whenn he has only 2 full NHL seasons under his belt, and only appeared on the map after he started playing with Tavares. Hes hit 60+ points once in his career, which was last year, and had 53 points the year before. Unless hes the exception, generally when you enter the NHL at the age of 27, your likely seeing what your going to get.

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12-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?

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12-13-2012, 03:44 PM
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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?
Doesn't work. You already traded Peckham in this deal:

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what about

BOS

seguin

EDM

peckham
hemsky
2015 4th rounder

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12-13-2012, 04:12 PM
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Hemsky is in the unique position that he's too risky to trade for from another teams stance and he's too much of a pandora's box for Edmonton to let go of without a solid return.
Well said. I would honestly cryyyyyy my eyes out if Hemsky was traded
He's the player who made me fall in love with the sport.

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12-13-2012, 04:13 PM
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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?
Is this real?

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12-13-2012, 04:17 PM
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Is this real?
nope read the description of the players.

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12-13-2012, 04:23 PM
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nope read the description of the players.
Yeah but it seems to be from an Oilers fan, normally it's Avs fans who troll with things like that.

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12-13-2012, 04:26 PM
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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?
wtf am i reading

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12-13-2012, 04:27 PM
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As surprising as it may be, but Hemsky and Parenteau are actually both the same age (actually Hemsky is 5 months younger), so youth doesnt factor in. Also im not sure how you could call PA Parenteau a 20g 50A player whenn he has only 2 full NHL seasons under his belt, and only appeared on the map after he started playing with Tavares. Hes hit 60+ points once in his career, which was last year, and had 53 points the year before. Unless hes the exception, generally when you enter the NHL at the age of 27, your likely seeing what your going to get.
Yeah, with only 2 full years in the league, it's easy to overlook that Parenteau is older. My mistake.

Still, a guy that put up PPG numbers for 4 consecutive years in the AHL gets the chance at the NHL and puts up 120 points in 161 games during his full 2 seasons. If that's what I get from him, I'm a happy camper.

By comparison, the last time that Hemsky played more than 70 games was 2008-09. So, would you rather have a guy who scores at about 0.75 PPG for 80 games or a guy that scores at a PPG for 45?

And, you'll notice that I said "in the right situation" when calling PA at 20/50 player. With 18G/49A playing with Tavares, that seems to be a valid claim. Since Duchene and Tavares were pretty much tied for career scoring before last season, Duchene and a decent scoring LW could be a similar situation. Even he ends up at 15/40, that's still decent for a team that is expected to be rolling 3 scoring lines.

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12-13-2012, 04:34 PM
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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?
This trade needs more Helmut Balderis.

Oh and also, how do you know that 4th rounder is going to bring some 'toughness on the wing'???

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12-13-2012, 05:50 PM
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Pretty good proposal but both teams say no.

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12-13-2012, 06:28 PM
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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?
Bye bye troll. And even if this is supposed to be comical or something, at least put the players positions right. Elliot does not play center. Oh, and get a life if you honestly have nothing better than this to do.

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12-13-2012, 06:29 PM
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Avs don't do it, and honestly I don't think the Oilers are willing to give up Hemsky for Downie.

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12-13-2012, 07:15 PM
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No, Hemsky sucks.

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I am a fan of Downie, Edmonton would need to send some gritty player in return plus but Colorado couldn't move Downie to any team in the northwest, maybe Calgary? but Downie is a player you love to have on your team(at times) and hate to play against. Edmonton need to overpay, Hemsky +2nd is fair value but still might not be what Avs are looking for?

will O'Reilly be returning to Colorado? I imagine so and when will Stastny be done in Colorado?

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Paajarvi + Jones + 2nd rounder

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12-13-2012, 07:45 PM
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No, Hemsky sucks.
Wow! What an insightful post!

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Terrible trade. Hemskys way better than downie. Hemskys untradeable IMO, we probably see him top 10 in scoring next nhl season most likely.

This is better.

EDM

Peckham
Paajarvi
4th rounder

COL

Enrick Johnson
Stephen Elliot

COL gets a nhl ready ppqb and some more toughness on the wing. EDM gets EJ, a solid prospect and Elliot, a boom or rust type of centre, which we need.

EDM gets the best player which is why they add a pick.

Thoughts?
I would love this deal as an Oiler fan; no way COL accepts something like that.

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12-13-2012, 08:09 PM
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I am a fan of Downie, Edmonton would need to send some gritty player in return plus but Colorado couldn't move Downie to any team in the northwest, maybe Calgary? but Downie is a player you love to have on your team(at times) and hate to play against. Edmonton need to overpay, Hemsky +2nd is fair value but still might not be what Avs are looking for?

will O'Reilly be returning to Colorado? I imagine so and when will Stastny be done in Colorado?
Hemsky a lone would be an over payment for Downie

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Wow! What an insightful post!
Short and it gets to the point. He sucks. No trade.

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Oilers say no, Downie sucks.

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Even though Avalanche fans hate other fan bases wanting one of their three centers, I think the Oilers need a second line center who isn't gagner more than another winger.

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Even though Avalanche fans hate other fan bases wanting one of their three centers, I think the Oilers need a second line center who isn't gagner more than another winger.
However their only pieces that even get colorado to consider moving one of their centers are the big 4. Even then I'd rather just hold onto all 3 of our centers or trade one for a first pairing LHD to play with EJ.

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However their only pieces that even get colorado to consider moving one of their centers are the big 4. Even then I'd rather just hold onto all 3 of our centers or trade one for a first pairing LHD to play with EJ.
Whitney for Stastny,

You need an offensive D and we need a 2nd line center.

EDM would have to add, and losing Whitney would hurt, but filling a 2C role would help a lot.

And yes Whitney was injured but its not like Stastny hasn't had issues lol.

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