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Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Named Captain for Team Canada (WJC)

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12-13-2012, 06:28 PM
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Brossoit's cut wasn't a surprise, but Corrado certainly looked like he deserved to make the team.

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12-13-2012, 06:35 PM
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Brossoit's played well enough to get a longer look. There's eastern bias going on (like always).

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12-13-2012, 06:36 PM
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I see the guys who were cut on tsn.ca, but not the final roster. Anyone got a link?

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I thought these were the final cuts and there is no more time for "longer looks"

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12-13-2012, 06:40 PM
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Brossoit's played well enough to get a longer look. There's eastern bias going on (like always).
Binnington has been the better goalie this year and the hottest of all four goalies going into camp.

Too much weight is being put into this camp.

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12-13-2012, 06:44 PM
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Binnington has been the better goalie this year and the hottest of all four goalies going into camp.

Too much weight is being put into this camp.
but surely the camp is a high pressure situation similar to what they will experience at the wjc and a maybe a sign of what is to come

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12-13-2012, 06:45 PM
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So Jordan Tootoo 2.0 made the team, meanwhile Shinkaruk (the kid that just seems to score all the time) goes home. Makes sense, look at Ryan O'Marra.

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12-13-2012, 06:51 PM
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This is the full roster after cuts.

Jordan Binnington
Jake Paterson
Malcolm Subban

Dougie Hamilton
Scott Harrington
Ryan Murphy
Xavier Ouellet
Griffin Reinhart
Morgan Rielly
Tyler Wotherspoon

Anthony Camara
Phillip Danault
Jonathan Drouin
Jonathan Huberdeau
Charles Hudon
Boone Jenner
J.C. Lipon
Nathan MacKinnon
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Ty Rattie
Brett Ritchie
Mark Scheifele
Ryan Strome

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12-13-2012, 06:53 PM
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So Jordan Tootoo 2.0 made the team, meanwhile Shinkaruk (the kid that just seems to score all the time) goes home. Makes sense, look at Ryan O'Marra.
You have to understand that there are roles to be filled where someone like Shinkaruk isn't really of use. He's a scorer and those positions up front are filled. I don't see him being effective as a two-way checker do you?

If you look at his stats comparably he doesn't seem to score all the time either. Just a lot.


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12-13-2012, 06:58 PM
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Brossoit's played well enough to get a longer look. There's eastern bias going on (like always).
He was bad in the Summer Series and had a rough start to the season. He needed two amazing performances in the Subway Series to make the team. Sadly for him, he only got one.

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12-13-2012, 07:00 PM
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You have to understand that there are roles to be filled where someone like Shinkaruk isn't really of use. He's a scorer and those positions up front are filled. I don't see him being effective as a two-way checker do you?
As a 13th forward he would be fine, besides if you're just SO much better then everyone "roles" become less important. Again, it would be fine if Camara was great in camp or something, but from what I've heard and read, he didn't out play Shinkaruk.

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12-13-2012, 07:02 PM
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I don't feel good about any of these kids getting cut but I have to admit to mild amusement at the Canucks fans flipping out over Corrado getting cut.

With Murray on the shelf, having a powerplay specialist like Murphy on the roster is a good idea.

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12-13-2012, 07:05 PM
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As a 13th forward he would be fine, besides if you're just SO much better then everyone "roles" become less important. Again, it would be fine if Camara was great in camp or something, but from what I've heard and read, he didn't out play Shinkaruk.
It looks like they are going to run 3 scoring lines. I can't fault them for wanting one checking line.

They were only ever going to take 2 of MacKinnon, Drouin, and Shinkaruk.

It's sad for Shinkaruk. He is definitely good enough to be on a normal World Junior team.

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12-13-2012, 07:10 PM
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Looks like a solid team i'm not sure its a super team like other lockout years but still very solid

Was anyone surprised matt dumba got cut or was that expected?

(my prospect knowledge isn't tthe best)

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12-13-2012, 07:15 PM
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As a 13th forward he would be fine, besides if you're just SO much better then everyone "roles" become less important. Again, it would be fine if Camara was great in camp or something, but from what I've heard and read, he didn't out play Shinkaruk.
Yeah I agree that roles would be less important for sure. If he was that much better than everyone else. Right now I see him as an undersized one dimensional scorer. Not too discredit him because he is damn fine at that. I personally would have liked to see Wilson's energy and physicality stick around. At the same time Camara is producing at a similar pace if comparison was necessary statistically and brings a lot of other intangibles that Shinkaruk doesn't. Maturity may or may not be one of them but he does have physical maturity and experience over him. It's unfortunate but Shinkaruk only suits a top six role and would have to shine brilliantly to earn himself such a role.

It is unfortunate though. He does belong on this squad. This is without the exception of the NHLers...

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12-13-2012, 07:16 PM
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Looks like a solid team i'm not sure its a super team like other lockout years but still very solid

Was anyone surprised matt dumba got cut or was that expected?

(my prospect knowledge isn't tthe best)
Dumba hasn't been doing very well this season, the training camp didn't change that.

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12-13-2012, 07:20 PM
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Looks like a solid team i'm not sure its a super team like other lockout years but still very solid

Was anyone surprised matt dumba got cut or was that expected?

(my prospect knowledge isn't tthe best)
Some guys expected it but that excludes me. I'm kind of befuddled by it personally. Outside of his recent season and an apparent decline he is a key energy player that contributes in all facets and has a propensity for showing up on big stages. One example was where he captained the U-18s to Gold I believe. The Hlinka I thinka.

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12-13-2012, 07:23 PM
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Dumba had to dig his way out of those train wrecks he had during the super series and showed up to camp and played the same way. And if it comes down to him or Murphy, they're better off having Murphy just to throw out in the PP.

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12-13-2012, 07:47 PM
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Looks like a solid team i'm not sure its a super team like other lockout years but still very solid

Was anyone surprised matt dumba got cut or was that expected?

(my prospect knowledge isn't tthe best)
At first glance, this definatley doesn't appear to be as deep or dynamic as the 2005 team.

The knock on Dumba has been his defensive decision making and tempo control needs work and its probably only been the last month or so he has really (for the first time) shown a concerted effort to fine tune these things.

Up til' just a few weeks ago...he was a somewhat high risk, wild and unpredictable player.

Word around here in the weeks leading up to JR camp has been that he is much better in this regard.

However...it's probably not enough body of work to really feel comfortable with giving him a spot. Especially not on the big ice.

And ultimatley...there were other guys who can play better defence.

In fact...you could make the arguement he might have been better off going back to "the old Dumba"...but even then...with Morgan Rielly already a lock....they likely felt there was plenty of offence to be had with the top 4 of this defence.

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12-13-2012, 09:12 PM
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With Broissoit's play at the Mem Cup and the Super Series I think the deck was stacked against him a bit in the eye's of HC's brass and Paterson playing really well sealed it. He was fighting an uphill battle to turn those perceptions around and hasn't been completely lights out to start this season, while he has been solid and consistent. I don't think it is the biggest slight ever not to include him on the team.

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As a 13th forward he would be fine, besides if you're just SO much better then everyone "roles" become less important. Again, it would be fine if Camara was great in camp or something, but from what I've heard and read, he didn't out play Shinkaruk.
Camara was quite good in all the games. Easily one of the most notable players, non-stop motor and really involved in the game with his intensity. Him and Shinkaruk weren't competing for the same spot/role. It was Camara versus Tom Wilson for that spot. Hockey Canada has a roster structure and today's game was individual battles between players to claim spots within that structure.

I thought Shinkaruk played good enough to be on this team for sure but it is a numbers game, he was gunning for that 13th forward spot against Drouin. To be honest, Drouin's high-end offense is better and more dangerous and I think that's where his battle was. They wanted a versatile type player on their fourth line and that was a separate battle between McNeill and Lipon I believe.

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12-13-2012, 09:25 PM
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Camara was quite good in all the games. Easily one of the most notable players, non-stop motor and really involved in the game with his intensity. Him and Shinkaruk weren't competing for the same spot/role. It was Camara versus Tom Wilson for that spot. Hockey Canada has a roster structure and today's game was individual battles between players to claim spots within that structure.

I thought Shinkaruk played good enough to be on this team for sure but it is a numbers game, he was gunning for that 13th forward spot against Drouin. To be honest, Drouin's high-end offense is better and more dangerous and I think that's where his battle was. They wanted a versatile type player on their fourth line and that was a separate battle between McNeill and Lipon I believe.
Well said. I didn't even watch any of the games but I feel like I just learned something.

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12-13-2012, 09:27 PM
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Very glad that Drouin made the team. He is an absolute treat to watch. He and MacKinnon have really good chemistry together.

I would have liked to see McNeill make it, but I won't lose sleep over it.

I'm kind of surprised they took Ouellet. Isn't he injured?

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Any ideas where Griffin Reinhart will play? Top 4? Extended 7th defenceman?

Also, good to see that Nugent-Hopkins kid made the squad. Heard he's decent.

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Odd question: Does anyone know what numbers these players will be wearing at the tournament? I quickly checked Hockey Canada but came back empty handed.

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