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12-13-2012, 05:56 PM
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12-13-2012, 06:01 PM
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Oh yeah baby

Trout
Pujols
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Trumbo

Can you say power?

Trout 35 hr
Pujols 30-40hr
Hamilton 40 -45 hr
Trumbo 35hr
Can any of them pitch?

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12-13-2012, 06:04 PM
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5 years for Hamilton? Hah...have fun with that, Anaheim.
He is a world class player. I'd take Hamilton's deal over what the Dodgers gave Zach Grienke which is probably the most absurd contract Ive seen handed out in sports since the Rangers signed Redden.

All this crap about the risk on Hamilton is so overblown. There is risk, but its because hes been somewhat injury prone, not him becoming a drug addict again.

He got a lot of flack last year, still hit 40HR..

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12-13-2012, 06:05 PM
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Can any of them pitch?
While their rotation lacks depth they have a pretty good 1-2 punch in Weaver and Wilson

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He is a world class player. I'd take Hamilton's deal over what the Dodgers gave Zach Grienke which is probably the most absurd contract Ive seen handed out in sports since the Rangers signed Redden.
Greinke's deal is market value for an ace pitcher in his prime. Also he is durable, unlike Hamilton who is only good for 120 games a season.

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12-13-2012, 06:06 PM
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Every single pro athlete in NA is overpaid.
Yeah but that's like saying every NHL player is good at hockey. That's true, but some ALOT more than others.

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12-13-2012, 06:08 PM
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While their rotation lacks depth they have a pretty good 1-2 punch in Weaver and Wilson



Greinke's deal is market value for an ace pitcher in his prime. Also he is durable, unlike Hamilton who is only good for 120 games a season.
Greinke had one year that he pitched like an ace. He is so overrated its not even funny.

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12-13-2012, 06:13 PM
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Greinke had one year that he pitched like an ace. He is so overrated its not even funny.
Besides his miraculous 2009 season he's been consistently top 15 in fWAR in the league. how is that not ace stuff?

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12-13-2012, 06:13 PM
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He is a world class player. I'd take Hamilton's deal over what the Dodgers gave Zach Grienke which is probably the most absurd contract Ive seen handed out in sports since the Rangers signed Redden.

All this crap about the risk on Hamilton is so overblown. There is risk, but its because hes been somewhat injury prone, not him becoming a drug addict again.

He got a lot of flack last year, still hit 40HR..
He has risk of injury because of all the heroine and other hard drugs he used in his 20's. His body will collapse eventually. He is always at risk of being a druggie again. For those who don't know, the Rangers have paid people to babysit him 24/7 over the past 4 years. He is rarely ever alone. He is not allowed to own a credit card and is not allowed to have more than $20 cash on him.

He got flack for all the S he has pulled over the past couple years. He quit on the team in September. He always has an excuse.

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12-13-2012, 06:19 PM
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Besides his miraculous 2009 season he's been consistently top 15 in fWAR in the league. how is that not ace stuff?
Sorry, an ERA of 3.5 does not warrant $24M a year for me.

But you Sabremetric people can make an arguement for anything

Not to mention Grienke has had his share of off the field issues too, I remember him leaving the Royals for what almost an entire season?

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12-13-2012, 06:59 PM
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12-13-2012, 07:12 PM
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Anyone espousing the "he is going to age quickly and is more of an injury risk because he was a drug addict" argument should probably ask a doctor about this theory then get back to us.

Edit: someone already did. Summary: this theory has no scientific backing whatsoever.

http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=8687630


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Anyone espousing the "he is going to age quickly and is more of an injury risk because he was a drug addict" argument should probably ask a doctor about this theory then get back to us.

Edit: someone already did. Summary: this theory has no scientific backing whatsoever.

http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=8687630
The injuries and the substance abuse are two different issues, but they're both huge risks that would stop me from even considering making a 5 year commitment to him.

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12-13-2012, 07:59 PM
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The injuries and the substance abuse are two different issues, but they're both huge risks that would stop me from even considering making a 5 year commitment to him.
They're both issues, I just can't stand when people try to make one the cause of the other despite the opinion of actual experts.

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12-13-2012, 08:06 PM
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Sorry, an ERA of 3.5 does not warrant $24M a year for me.

But you Sabremetric people can make an arguement for anything

Not to mention Grienke has had his share of off the field issues too, I remember him leaving the Royals for what almost an entire season?
that was so long ago dude. Greinke is a legit ace. Deal with it.

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He is a world class player. I'd take Hamilton's deal over what the Dodgers gave Zach Grienke which is probably the most absurd contract Ive seen handed out in sports since the Rangers signed Redden.

All this crap about the risk on Hamilton is so overblown. There is risk, but its because hes been somewhat injury prone, not him becoming a drug addict again.

He got a lot of flack last year, still hit 40HR..
I think both are overpaid but I agree, the drug thing is overblown. Everyone was so worried when Cabrera was playing drunk. I remember after a story came out Yahoo fantasy originally had him ranked 1 and dropped him to 9. Just an overblown, dramatic story that the media does.

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12-13-2012, 08:08 PM
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5 years seems pretty reasonable to me..

I know Hamilton basically played a mix of CF/LF as a Ranger (only reason he played LF at all was since he faced more injury risk as CF) so it should help out a bit that he can play LF full-time now with Trout at Center. Expect to see a lot of spectacular catches in the OF with Hamilton and Trout patrolling.


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Term worries me but I'm stoaked with this signing, as much as I wouldn't want the Angels to trade Bourjos I think they should explore it for some more starting pitching, throw Morales in there too.

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12-13-2012, 08:17 PM
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They're both issues, I just can't stand when people try to make one the cause of the other despite the opinion of actual experts.
Sounds an awful lot like people and steroids...

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12-13-2012, 08:21 PM
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While their rotation lacks depth they have a pretty good 1-2 punch in Weaver and Wilson
Wilson faded down the stretch and is on the downswing of his prime. Weaver is a boss, but Blanton, Hanson, Richards/Williams/other aren't nearly as good as what Oakland and Texas have to send out to the mound. If one of Wilson or Weaver go down for any extended period of time, they're ****ed.

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12-13-2012, 08:22 PM
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Sounds an awful lot like people and steroids...
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Can any of them pitch?
Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Hanson and Richards is a pretty good rotation.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Morales. Holy **** this order can hit. The offence will make up for any pitching issues. Lets not forget the bullpen got much better with Madson and Burnett. The poor relief pitching was what killed than Angels last year. Second most blown saves in the al.

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Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Hanson and Richards is a pretty good rotation.
Any rotation that has Blanton in the middle of it has holes. Hanson has real health concerns, which is why the Braves gave up on him so quickly and Richards almost walked as many as he struck out last year.

They will probably make a deal to acquire another starter, but as it stands right now, the staff is rather average.

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Richards is probably the #3 there if he makes strides. It's a rotation that has a #1, a #2, a #4 and two 5's.

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Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Hanson and Richards is a pretty good rotation.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Morales. Holy **** this order can hit. The offence will make up for any pitching issues. Lets not forget the bullpen got much better with Madson and Burnett. The poor relief pitching was what killed than Angels last year. Second most blown saves in the al.
They will have to hit considering their rotation is considerably weaker than last year.

In addition, Madson is still a question mark coming off surgery

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They will have to hit considering their rotation is considerably weaker than last year.

In addition, Madson is still a question mark coming off surgery
It took Joe Nathan 2 years to get good after his surgery.

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