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12-13-2012, 03:08 PM
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This is gonna be another long year once Howard and Utley eventually get hurt. 3rd in the division is looking pretty realistic.

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Per Olney, Ichiro is turning down a 2-year, $14 million offer from the Phillies to re-sign with the Yankees.

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12-13-2012, 03:27 PM
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I wanted Hamilton but I'm glad we didn't give him that contract. Way too much for too long.

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12-13-2012, 03:33 PM
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Per Olney, Ichiro is turning down a 2-year, $14 million offer from the Phillies to re-sign with the Yankees.
Amaro just loves to tack on those extra years for geriatrics, doesn't he? Must be because it has worked so well in the past for us.

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I wanted Hamilton but I'm glad we didn't give him that contract. Way too much for too long.
Anything past 3 years would have been tough to swallow with his track record for me. It's bad enough we're going to have a 25M PH'er in a year or two, no reason to risk another 25M being tied up in rehab.

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12-13-2012, 03:39 PM
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Players are what they are because managers let them become what they are.
So if Luke Schenn doesn't become a two way defenseman, who can put up a decent point total every year, it's because Laviollette didn't teach him to be?

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12-13-2012, 03:57 PM
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If we still need an outfielder, I wonder which of their OFers Anaheim is gonna move. Don't they have 4 or 5 good outfielders?

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12-13-2012, 04:12 PM
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If we still need an outfielder, I wonder which of their OFers Anaheim is gonna move. Don't they have 4 or 5 good outfielders?
Yes, but I think they would be looking for SP in return in any deal they make now.

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12-13-2012, 04:17 PM
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Yes, but I think they would be looking for SP in return in any deal they make now.
Cliff Lee for Mike Trout

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12-13-2012, 04:18 PM
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If we still need an outfielder, I wonder which of their OFers Anaheim is gonna move. Don't they have 4 or 5 good outfielders?
Vernon Wells who they would be happy to get rid of and Bourjos who we don't have a need for now with Revere on board.

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12-13-2012, 04:24 PM
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Im not talking about trading for him, I mean when he is a free agent in 4 or 5 years. They just keep on giving out massive contracts. The Phillies will have their TV deal by then and he grew up a Phillies fan. Just saying...
Oh. Well in that case let's hope the Phillies aren't doling out contracts like that in the years leading up to then, also. Howard's will be up. So will Lee's, Utley's, Rollins'... basically 4-5 years from now completely new faces apart from Hamels. Doesn't mean Rube (if he's still there) won't play fast and loose with the wallet between now and then on other FAs that become available.

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12-13-2012, 04:39 PM
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Lol at Phillies getting Mike Trout. You sound like Maple Leaf fans.

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12-13-2012, 04:50 PM
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Vernon Wells who they would be happy to get rid of and Bourjos who we don't have a need for now with Revere on board.
I like Vernon Wells and keep expecting him to bounce back. I think he is too far out of the Phillies price range though.

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12-13-2012, 05:42 PM
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Anything past 3 years would have been tough to swallow with his track record for me. It's bad enough we're going to have a 25M PH'er in a year or two, no reason to risk another 25M being tied up in rehab.
Agreed. Plus the Phils don't lose their first round pick.

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12-13-2012, 06:11 PM
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Agreed. Plus the Phils don't lose their first round pick.
Swisher also costs a first rounder .

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12-14-2012, 08:02 AM
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So if Luke Schenn doesn't become a two way defenseman, who can put up a decent point total every year, it's because Laviollette didn't teach him to be?
Baseball and hockey are completely different sports. A manager can give a hitter a red light if he doesn't want him swinging at a pitch.

That said while Rollins was never a very disciplined hitter, he has gotten progressively worse after his MVP season.

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12-14-2012, 09:03 AM
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Swisher also costs a first rounder .
Cody Ross doesn't.

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12-14-2012, 11:27 AM
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That said while Rollins was never a very disciplined hitter, he has gotten progressively worse after his MVP season.
His walk rate in 2007 was 6.3%

His walk rate from 2008-2012 was roughly 9%

That's a pretty significantly improvement.

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12-14-2012, 09:43 PM
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Baseball and hockey are completely different sports. A manager can give a hitter a red light if he doesn't want him swinging at a pitch.
Yeah they can, but no manager goes pitch by pitch alternating red lights and green lights to his hitters. Plate discipline/pitch recognition is a skill that some guys have and some guys have less of, just like the skills in hockey.

Edit: And as it's been pointed out, Rollins is not a particularly undisciplined hitter- his walk rate is fine. What's a bigger problem is that his BABIP has been unusually low for 4 straight years now, leading to a lower batting average and OBP. Not sure why that is, maybe because he's been hitting more fly balls in that time. That's probably got something to do with his swing that, at age 34, he's not going to be able to alter much.


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12-15-2012, 05:32 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phillie...081000021.html

http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-ph...975&feedID=693

According to a report from KRISTV in Corpus Christi, Texas, the Phillies have agreed to a three-year, $18 million contract with reliever Mike Adams.

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12-15-2012, 07:45 AM
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http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-ph...975&feedID=693

According to a report from KRISTV in Corpus Christi, Texas, the Phillies have agreed to a three-year, $18 million contract with reliever Mike Adams.
kinda worried about his health being as though he's coming off surgery and he's 34 yo but i guess he's the new set-up man. only leaves a back end rotation guy and corner outfielder left but for some reason i have a feeling we won't be very happy when the latter is addressed.

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12-15-2012, 09:21 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phillie...081000021.html

http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-ph...975&feedID=693

According to a report from KRISTV in Corpus Christi, Texas, the Phillies have agreed to a three-year, $18 million contract with reliever Mike Adams.

he has good numbers and playoff experience. looks a bit expensive but I'll take it, we needed something. Brilliant move.

1 or 2 more be good, 1 or 2 LHP

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John Lannan, your newest Philadelphia Phillie.

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I wonder how it will be between him and Utley.

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John Lannan, your newest Philadelphia Phillie.
I like the John Lannan move. As far as Ultey is concerned, they are professionals. I doubt there would be any bad blood remaining.

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Re Mike Adams: Stark said it was 2 years for $12M guaranteed with a 3rd year vested. I really like it - he is an established, very consistent (by stochastic bullpen standards) back of the bullpen guy and while the injury is concerning (apparently it causes numbness in your shoulder/neck and a weak grip) at least it isn't as bad as an elbow issue or something similar.

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