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11-30-2012, 06:44 PM
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Mantha....oh how sweet it would be. That kid is putting up scoring ability like Skinner in his draft year but is 6'2.

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Mantha....oh how sweet it would be. That kid is putting up scoring ability like Skinner in his draft year but is 6'2.
Finally got to watch him last night and... man... a little disappointed, actually. He's clearly very skilled, but he couldn't give a **** about playing hockey properly most of the game. Kind of scary actually... after seeing his work ethic and overall play, he could end up being a total bust in the Daigle territory or a total boom in the early-days Heatley territory. Scary pick! Seems like I'm not alone after reading the prospects thread.

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Finally got to watch him last night and... man... a little disappointed, actually. He's clearly very skilled, but he couldn't give a **** about playing hockey properly most of the game. Kind of scary actually... after seeing his work ethic and overall play, he could end up being a total bust in the Daigle territory or a total boom in the early-days Heatley territory. Scary pick! Seems like I'm not alone after reading the prospects thread.
And another reason to point out why stats don't always tell you everything. On pace for 50 goals and plays like he could give a rats ass....well put me in the Erne/Carrier group then.

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And another reason to point out why stats don't always tell you everything. On pace for 50 goals and plays like he could give a rats ass....well put me in the Erne/Carrier group then.
Yeah, it's weird. He might be a star one day, but who knows if he'll ever be a player you win with. I would be scared drafting him in the Top 15 (which is where he's ranked right now on most lists), after that you probably take a gamble and hope for the best (unless there's someone better and more consistent still around).

I would have a hard time deciding between him and Carrier. I know Carrier is not quite as skilled, but he's still pretty talented (and his points are not far behind Mantha) and at least he can project as a Bottom 6 player unlike Mantha.

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11-30-2012, 09:59 PM
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What are the chances we could grab Jordan Subban in the 2nd round? Really like to see him in Canuck colours.

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What are the chances we could grab Jordan Subban in the 2nd round? Really like to see him in Canuck colours.
I think Subban is a guy whose ranking will heavily depend on the fitness testing at the combine. His talent level is up there for the 1st round, just the size issue...

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11-30-2012, 10:20 PM
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I think Subban is a guy whose ranking will heavily depend on the fitness testing at the combine. His talent level is up there for the 1st round, just the size issue...
He's so much smalled than his brothers, I have wonder if he's got a growth spurt in him. If not, what about moving to forward and still playing pp qb? I haven't seen him enough to pass judgment.

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11-30-2012, 10:23 PM
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He's so much smalled than his brothers, I have wonder if he's got a growth spurt in him. If not, what about moving to forward and still playing pp qb? I haven't seen him enough to pass judgment.
Yeah, I haven't either unfortunately. Probably best to ask on the main boards. What I have seen, he seems very highly skilled — even more than his brother, I think.

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I would rather take JC Lipon in the second round, if he's still there and there are no obvious fallers.

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THN should take advantage of this lockout and put out a a mid season prospect ranking mag. I sure as hell would buy it.

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Gillis and Co. have got to have their best draft in years or we're officially in trouble. And for God's sake, don't trade the first when it's supposed to be the deepest draft since 2003.

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I think Subban is a guy whose ranking will heavily depend on the fitness testing at the combine. His talent level is up there for the 1st round, just the size issue...
This is him this past summer with Laylor Systems (PK trains there too)



The guy looks built for his age. Makes me wonder if he has much growing left, height-wise. As we saw with Schroeder who filled out early and didn't grow at all after the draft.

From my brief viewings (Handful of full games and the highlights from last season when i was doing the Gaunce video), i'd say he is less aggressive physically than PK certainly. He is a slick puck rusher with a good quick shot and some very skilled hands. Skates like the wind. Good PP QB. However, last season, there are some serious concerns defensively. Positioning, gap control, and coverage in front of the net are areas he needs to work on. Also, i'd say based on last seasons' highlights, he owes Malcolm a few kegs of beer for the times he bailed him out or caused a goal against. From the couple games this season, i'd say he is improving but still a work in progress.

Chances of him in the 2nd round are high. I think his pedigree and name will bring him there. But whether or not its the right choice for us in the 2nd round is another matter. I'm not so sure where i'd take him as its still early in the season. But the strengths/weaknesses for Jordan are pretty much the same as they were for PK in his draft year (minus of course the concern about size), so maybe we should take on a motto of "Never bet against a Subban".

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12-01-2012, 02:36 AM
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Yeah, I'm not hesitant to take a shorter player I believe there are certain physical walls they can hit, but essentials like puck battles, skating, puck skills, taking a hit don't concern me (I'm 5'8'' so take it from me personally). Just don't expect him to clear a crease at that size.

Besides, aren't the youngest children supposed to get taller than their older brothers? If not, I have been cheated in the gene pool.

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Its unfortunate for Jordan Subban if hes 6' ft we are talking top 5 pick territory.

From what I have seen he is even more skilled than PK.

Its not out of the question he gains an inch or 2. Hes still 17.

a 2nd is not a bad investment.

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12-14-2012, 01:17 PM
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Mantha....oh how sweet it would be. That kid is putting up scoring ability like Skinner in his draft year but is 6'2.
I can't figure out why a lot of Canuck fans want this guy, I get he's 6'2" and scores goals, but the concerns with him are commitment, consistency of effort etc...

He'll have a game where he scores 4 goals and then the next night he'll be invisible.

I like Jason Dickinson right now, if we're going with a forward.

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12-14-2012, 01:23 PM
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Nathan Mackinnon is a rich version of Kesler. Some nasty similar traits to Kesler, but also all of the great traits too. The difference? He has great vision.

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Nathan Mackinnon is a rich version of Kesler. Some nasty similar traits to Kesler, but also all of the great traits too. The difference? He has great vision.
or he has players on his line worth passing too....

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I can't figure out why a lot of Canuck fans want this guy, I get he's 6'2" and scores goals, but the concerns with him are commitment, consistency of effort etc...

He'll have a game where he scores 4 goals and then the next night he'll be invisible.

I like Jason Dickinson right now, if we're going with a forward.
Personally I'd prefer we draft a higher risk potential game breaker than a safe bet to become a decent second-liner.(I don't know too much about Dickinson, admittedly)

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Personally I'd prefer we draft a higher risk potential game breaker than a safe bet to become a decent second-liner.(I don't know too much about Dickinson, admittedly)
Download a recent TSN draft center podcast and listen to Button and Dickinson's coach (former Canuck Scott Walker) beem about him.

I've only watched one full game of his on TV (against Oshawa) and lots of highlights and he's dynamic in all facets (skating, passing, stick handling, puck protection...even at 6'2" 175lbs)

I like the fact he hasn't grown into his body too...

I think you have to hit on your first round pick, and Mantha is far too risky for me.

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What are the chances we could grab Jordan Subban in the 2nd round? Really like to see him in Canuck colours.
Chances are there as of right now, hopefully he doesn't have a growth spurt and start to tear up the OHL towards the end of the season so we can pick him up. I see Jordan being a lot like P.K. , somewhat average junior numbers and gets drafted late in the 2nd round, then has a huge year in the OHL the next year, plays in the WJC and skyrockets. Let's hope Jordan follows his older brother's footsteps so we can snatch him in the 2nd round.

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I would rather take JC Lipon in the second round, if he's still there and there are no obvious fallers.
With JC Lipon making Team Canada, he's gunna be a late 1st rounder or an early 2nd rounder, I don't see us getting him in the 2nd round.

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Nathan Mackinnon is a rich version of Kesler. Some nasty similar traits to Kesler, but also all of the great traits too. The difference? He has great vision.
Wouldn't go as far as directly comparing Mackinnon to Kesler, yes they both play with a lot of heart, but Ryan broke into the league as a defensive player, it wasn't until around 2008-2009 that he really found his scoring touch. Nathan has that scoring touch already, and even though you could consider Mackinnon as a TWF, I think he's destined to be a playmaker who can also score goals and play the body. Nathan Mackinnon is the real deal.

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Download a recent TSN draft center podcast and listen to Button and Dickinson's coach (former Canuck Scott Walker) beem about him.

I've only watched one full game of his on TV (against Oshawa) and lots of highlights and he's dynamic in all facets (skating, passing, stick handling, puck protection...even at 6'2" 175lbs)

I like the fact he hasn't grown into his body too...

I think you have to hit on your first round pick, and Mantha is far too risky for me.
If we're looking for a big body putting up big points then Carrier is a much safer (and better) option due to his commitment level and work ethic.

I'm scared of Mantha. He can score 4 goals and still look (and play) like he doesn't care the other 56 minutes in that game. Maybe he's a game-breaker but in such a deep draft do you really want Canucks to be the team that drafts a bust? With our prospect pool? Ugh.

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If we're looking for a big body putting up big points then Carrier is a much safer (and better) option due to his commitment level and work ethic.

I'm scared of Mantha. He can score 4 goals and still look (and play) like he doesn't care the other 56 minutes in that game. Maybe he's a game-breaker but in such a deep draft do you really want Canucks to be the team that drafts a bust? With our prospect pool? Ugh.
Carrier seems to have some concerns too.

Tries to do it all himself (hard to blame him), but it's nice to see kids who can play within a team concept and still exude skill and commitment.

Not to mention, I trust our OHL scouts more than the Q.

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Carrier seems to have some concerns too.

Tries to do it all himself (hard to blame him), but it's nice to see kids who can play within a team concept and still exude skill and commitment.

Not to mention, I trust our OHL scouts more than the Q.
I haven't had a chance to watch Dickinson since the beginning of the season but his production over the past 15 games has been disappointing to say the least. I was personally hoping for an upwards trend over the season.

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