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12-13-2012, 09:12 PM
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It took Joe Nathan 2 years to get good after his surgery.
It varies from person to person. Keep in mind, Nathan is much older.

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12-13-2012, 09:21 PM
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Texas Rangers: The world's farm team.
Who are you referring to here? Teixeira? Wilson? Hamilton?

Hamilton of course wasn't a product of the Rangers' farm system to begin with. Giving him a long-term deal wouldn't have been a good idea. He won't age well. His mercurial attitude and questionable effort combined to wear out his welcome here. The time to win with Hamilton has come and gone. He gave the team some great performances but ultimately it wasn't enough. The Rangers will remain competitive by continuing to incorporate young talent while eschewing bad contracts. Personally I wouldn't have offered him any contract at all, even a short-term one.

Wilson was no great loss either. He's just not a guy you can rely on ultimately.

Moving Teixeira was one of the best moves of the last decade.

The Rangers choose to spend money on players with upside who can provide surplus value, like Darvish and Beltre. They're not some small market team on a shoestring budget. When homegrown players perform and are young enough to contribute for the future they'll be retained, like Kinsler.

Now if they fail to sign Andrus and he walks in UFA then you might have a point.

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12-13-2012, 10:28 PM
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C'mon you just knew they weren't gonna let the Dodgers steal all the spotlight. Gonna lol when Beane and the A's finish ahead of them again.


Vernon Wells the 21 million dollar 5th OF.

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12-13-2012, 11:38 PM
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It varies from person to person. Keep in mind, Nathan is much older.
Typically it takes 2 years for a player having TJ surgery to get back to what they were. Typically. Madsen may be different, but most pitchers take 2.

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12-14-2012, 12:01 AM
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Now, where are Bourjos and Trumbo/Morales going?

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12-14-2012, 12:23 AM
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Now, where are Bourjos and Trumbo/Morales going?
One of the 3 will be traded (possibly 2 of them) for a starter, and the remaining players will play. One of Bourjos and Trumbo will play in the outfield, and one of Trumbo and Morales will DH.

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12-14-2012, 01:03 AM
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Toriiiiiiiii Hunter claims the Angels lied to him.

http://tireball.com/mlb/2012/12/13/t...s-lied-to-him/

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12-14-2012, 01:04 AM
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Who are you referring to here? Teixeira? Wilson? Hamilton?

Hamilton of course wasn't a product of the Rangers' farm system to begin with. Giving him a long-term deal wouldn't have been a good idea. He won't age well. His mercurial attitude and questionable effort combined to wear out his welcome here. The time to win with Hamilton has come and gone. He gave the team some great performances but ultimately it wasn't enough. The Rangers will remain competitive by continuing to incorporate young talent while eschewing bad contracts. Personally I wouldn't have offered him any contract at all, even a short-term one.

Wilson was no great loss either. He's just not a guy you can rely on ultimately.

Moving Teixeira was one of the best moves of the last decade.

The Rangers choose to spend money on players with upside who can provide surplus value, like Darvish and Beltre. They're not some small market team on a shoestring budget. When homegrown players perform and are young enough to contribute for the future they'll be retained, like Kinsler.

Now if they fail to sign Andrus and he walks in UFA then you might have a point.
Now don't get me wrong I love what the Rangers are doing. (well actually I hate it because I root for another AL team, but you know what I mean)

I'm just referring to the fact that they constantly seem to be losing star talent to teams that like to throw money up against the wall and hope it sticks: Yankeeism if you will, even though the Yankees are slowly but steadily getting out of that game.

That's not say they haven't been extremely competitive despite that, and have spent money very intelligently elsewhere. I give them alot of credit. Matter of fact I think it's kind of funny that other teams like to use the Rangers as a farm team in terms of poaching their star talent, and the Rangers are consistently better than those teams anyway.

Did I sound harsh? Wasn't meant that way. Not that I particularly like for the Rangers as it were, but I admit they're well managed.

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12-14-2012, 01:50 AM
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Oh OK. I guess I misinterpreted that. It was kind of a sore spot for a while before the team got on better financial footing. I even forgot about Cliff Lee. Rangers certainly tried very hard to re-sign him, much more than they did with CJ or Hamilton. I guess there have been a lot of notable subtractions over the years even going back to ARod.

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12-14-2012, 02:29 AM
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12-14-2012, 03:56 AM
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Angels were top-5 offense in baseball last season so not sure how smart it was to throw money at Hamilton. That money could've been better spent on Anibal Sanchez and Edwin Jackson.

Weaver/Wilson is a solid 1-2 punch but it's all garbage after that. Hanson, Blanton, Richards. They better hope Hanson is fine and Richards sorts out his control issues.

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12-14-2012, 05:27 AM
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Trade Morales and whatever for a decent starting pitcher.

LF:Trout CF: Bourjos RF: Hamilton

3rd: Callaspo SS: Aybar 2nd: Kendrick 1st Pujols

Trumbo DH

Boom

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12-14-2012, 05:35 AM
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I guess this means he's not going to the Phillies...



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12-14-2012, 08:34 AM
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Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Hanson and Richards is a pretty good rotation.
That rotation is average, not pretty good.

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12-14-2012, 11:21 AM
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Pujols, Trumbo and Josh Hamilton... what a terrific offense!!!

Too bad our primary need, the bullpen, wasn't fixed at all...

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The bullpen has been helped. The rotation needs serious work

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12-14-2012, 11:53 AM
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Im happy with the Hamilton signing, we certainly improved the batting rotation. As for our outfield, you can count on Peter Bourjos being traded now for pitching which is unfortunate because Peter loves playing in Anaheim but its not fair for him to have to ride the pine all season and it doesn't make sense for the Angels to hang on to him when they can use him to bring in something we need.

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12-14-2012, 11:57 AM
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Toriiiiiiiii Hunter claims the Angels lied to him.

http://tireball.com/mlb/2012/12/13/t...s-lied-to-him/
Yikes that upsets me...I love Torii hunter, i dont understand why we couldnt at least make a reasonable offer. He loved playing in Anaheim and wanted to stay, you could have bet he would have taken a home town discount to finish his career off here. If thats in fact true, its stuff like that that weighs poorly on organizations.

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12-14-2012, 02:47 PM
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Yikes that upsets me...I love Torii hunter, i dont understand why we couldnt at least make a reasonable offer. He loved playing in Anaheim and wanted to stay, you could have bet he would have taken a home town discount to finish his career off here. If thats in fact true, its stuff like that that weighs poorly on organizations.
A couple of things factored into this I believe:

1) Torii played over his head last year, BABIP was very high, power left. I think Dipoto knew this and wasn't willing to make the mistake Reagins made with bringing Abreu back.

2) I don't think the Angels were planning on spending more this offseason. This contract was a culmination of what the Dodgers did, losing Grienke, and getting a chance to weaken a powerful division foe. Right place, right time type of thing.

I truly believe they were telling Torii the truth, but adapted later on to a change in circumstances.

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I don't understand why the Angels just didn't sign Greinke?

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I don't understand why the Angels just didn't sign Greinke?
Thats all I was thinking when I heard this...

Nothing against Hamilton, but I think they're a better team with Greinke then Hamilton.. Their offense didn't seem to be a problem last year, it was the pitching..


This contract to Greinke would have been overpaying slightly, but sometimes you have to overpay to fill a need... Rotation and bullpen were to big needs, especially after losing Haren and Santana.

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Thats all I was thinking when I heard this...

Nothing against Hamilton, but I think they're a better team with Greinke then Hamilton.. Their offense didn't seem to be a problem last year, it was the pitching..


This contract to Greinke would have been overpaying slightly, but sometimes you have to overpay to fill a need... Rotation and bullpen were to big needs, especially after losing Haren and Santana.



Seems to me that Arte Moreno signed him because the Dodgers have been getting most of the attention.

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I don't understand why the Angels just didn't sign Greinke?
Becasue Zach Grienke is not worth 140million...that simple.

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A couple of things factored into this I believe:

1) Torii played over his head last year, BABIP was very high, power left. I think Dipoto knew this and wasn't willing to make the mistake Reagins made with bringing Abreu back.

2) I don't think the Angels were planning on spending more this offseason. This contract was a culmination of what the Dodgers did, losing Grienke, and getting a chance to weaken a powerful division foe. Right place, right time type of thing.

I truly believe they were telling Torii the truth, but adapted later on to a change in circumstances.
That makes sense...but hunter is certainly no Abreu and though Hunter did play above his headn his is certainly serviceable player

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Seems to me that Arte Moreno signed him because the Dodgers have been getting most of the attention.
Yea thats it...Arte Moreno is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars because he NEEDS attention.

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Yea thats it...Arte Moreno is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars because he NEEDS attention.


Hey man, don't shoot the messenger. He needs attention. Hell, that is his job since he's an advertising guru...

"Let's put more billboards all over LA!"

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Becasue Zach Grienke is not worth 140million...that simple.
But Hamilton's worth $125 million?

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