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[NYM/TOR] Dickey/Thole/Nickeas for D'Arnaud/Syndergaard/Buck/Becerra (done deal)

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12-15-2012, 01:03 AM
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I've seen alot of these "dreamteams" (basically meaning a team that acquires everyone and their dog during the offseason, named after the Eagles) fail. Will be interesting to see if the Jays pull it off. I hope they don't.

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12-15-2012, 01:06 AM
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In other words, if this deal gets done, the Blue Jays are getting back a lot more than just R.A. Dickey on a one-year deal.
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For those unfamiliar with Travis D'Arnaud, he's the best catching prospect in the minor leagues. Big bat/arm, superb makeup. Future star.

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12-15-2012, 01:11 AM
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SOOO pumped!!

Romero goes from #1 to #5, that's a rotation improvement!

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Just announce the damn trade!

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12-15-2012, 01:19 AM
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D'Arnaud will likely be a star...but then again, now I might get to watch meaningful playoff games in Toronto...

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12-15-2012, 01:21 AM
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Why exactly are the Jays doing this?
Baltimore jumped them last season and while the AL East is still good and deep, it's also up for grabs.

It's not Dayton Moore trading to keep his job...but there has to be pressure on Toronto for some results

I thought they might have been fine without acquring Dickey..but we'll see

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12-15-2012, 01:28 AM
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An early congrats to the Jays on their 2013 AL East title. I don't agree with trading D'Arnaud, but AA is striking while the Yankees, Rays and Orioles have regressed and the Red Sox are in no-man's land. It's a good time to throw the chips in the center of the table.

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added rumor to the title. Hopefully when i wake up someone has removed it.

TDA would be a big loss, but if we're going all in this year, might as well do it right.

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12-15-2012, 01:33 AM
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Outside losing Mark Reynolds(which can be viewed as a positive), how has Baltimore regressed?

For all we know right now, they just might be legit after all

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An early congrats to the Jays on their 2013 AL East title. I don't agree with trading D'Arnaud, but AA is striking while the Yankees, Rays and Orioles have regressed and the Red Sox are in no-man's land. It's a good time to throw the chips in the center of the table.
Mark Reynolds! Ooo! Oh, wait, they have Manny Machado.

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12-15-2012, 01:34 AM
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Outside losing Mark Reynolds(which can be viewed as a positive), how has Baltimore regressed?

For all we know right now, they just might be legit after all

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Outside losing Mark Reynolds(which can be viewed as a positive), how has Baltimore regressed?

For all we know right now, they just might be legit after all
I trust the one run games theory...

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12-15-2012, 01:41 AM
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The Orioles were an 82-win team last season by Pythagorean record and they haven't added any pieces this winter. Plus, they've lost Reynolds, who is still an above-average offensive player despite the criticism. They're not going to win 93 games again next year as presently built.

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12-15-2012, 01:44 AM
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The Orioles were an 82-win team last season by Pythagorean record and they haven't added any pieces this winter. Plus, they've lost Reynolds, who is still an above-average offensive player despite the criticism. They're not going to win 93 games again next year as presently built.
Seeing as anything is possible...it's possible

Sure as hell no one could explain their record last year and FA certainly isn't ending tomorrow

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12-15-2012, 01:45 AM
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They're also full of young players who should be expected to take steps forward. A full season of Machado will be worth more than a full season from Reynolds

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Seeing as anything is possible...it's possible

Sure as hell no one could explain their record last year and FA certainly isn't ending tomorrow
The following are anomalies: going 29-9 in one-run games; going 16-2 in extra-innings games; going 93-69 with a plus-7 run differential. The Orioles managed to accomplish all three last season and, as mentioned, haven't yet added anything to their team since. I can't see them having similar luck next year just because Machado will be around full time.

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12-15-2012, 01:54 AM
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Odds are you are right.

But you can also factor in that both New York and Tampa "should" be weaker while Boston is still a mess and Toronto, for the time being, looks good on "paper".

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12-15-2012, 01:56 AM
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Odds are you are right.

But you can also factor in that both New York and Tampa "should" be weaker while Boston is still a mess and Toronto, for the time being, looks good on "paper".
Fair point.

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Full season of Bundy as well, which takes awful Hunter out of the equation.

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12-15-2012, 02:54 AM
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I'm not sure what to think right now.

I really didn't want to lose TDA...especially for a 38 year old (yes I know he won a CY)..

I just have a bad feeling Dickey will get lit up in the AL East.

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12-15-2012, 04:32 AM
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Dickey is about as unlikely as it gets to be lit up in the AL East. Nobody in that division has faced anything like him (Tim Wakefield's knuckleball was a good 10 mph slower).

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True. I guess it's just easy to be worried when you are trading one of the best prospects in baseball for a 38 year old pitcher.

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Baltimore jumped them last season and while the AL East is still good and deep, it's also up for grabs.

It's not Dayton Moore trading to keep his job...but there has to be pressure on Toronto for some results

I thought they might have been fine without acquring Dickey..but we'll see
Not to mention Sox won't be bad forever and Yanks lost Arod for half the season and are aging. Tampa took a hit short term this offseason.

This will also make tv ratings, merchandise sales and attendance go way up so this should definitely help them long term.

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Why trade so much for a 38 y/o pitcher?

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