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Chris Pronger moves back to STL, career probably over

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12-13-2012, 02:04 PM
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you missed the point of him saying that
Maybe so, but I was more arguing the point that actually playing games matters. Niedermayer got more votes than Pronger because he played all but 3 games while still providing elite all around play, and rightfully so.

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12-13-2012, 02:26 PM
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Might be done playing, but I highly doubt he retires before 2015.

Still has $17m+ remaining on the contract and the Flyers certainly don't want him to retire, even if he doesn't play again.
So they actually got out of his caphit from this..... Lucky ********.

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12-13-2012, 04:00 PM
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So naturally he'll become a high school physics teacher after he officially retires?

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12-13-2012, 04:54 PM
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Also the third sentence is absolutely false. Lidstrom barely got beat on the forecheck since he was probably the best at moving the puck out of his own zone. He got to the puck quicker than the forecheckers could and threaded needle passes to his wingers.

Which 'young, physical teams' nullified Lidstrom? He was really never the problem.


As with Pronger, he was taken to school by Patrick Kane in 2010. He's generally had a tougher time with the smaller, skilled players.




Almost every player the past few years acknowledge Lidstrom as the best d-man in the league when there was Neidermayer, Pronger, Zubov, etc. He is simply on another level.



Chris Pronger was the modern day Joe Thornton before Joe Thornton became known as the choke artist. His Blues teams were quite dominant during the regular season, some years on par with the Wings.



I'd choose Lidstrom because he is easily the better player. More cups, more Norris Trophies, a Conn Smythe, etc.
I can't speak for the whole of his career, but I can say that I've noticed in the later half that coaching (or at least Babcock) doesn't want Lidstrom chasing dumps. It became increasingly obvious in the past three or four years, even when he's the first defenseman back, his partner retrieves, takes the beating, and lets Lidstrom figure it out from there out. How much of it has to do with his age and how much of this strategy was residual is up for debate, but it seemed like the past few years, the one trick in the book on Lidstrom was that if you could force him to retrieve the dump in, he would be significantly less effective.

EDIT: I believe there was something on it within the last year or two, showing multiple instances in the playoffs where Stuart had to go back and take the hit to keep Lidstrom untouched. Caps fans brought it up while discussing what coaching should be doing with Mike Green.


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I hate Pronger's dirty play but secretly wanted him on my team. What a talent. Hate concussions taking away HOF players.

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12-14-2012, 02:25 PM
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Bergeron was better than Crosby. Crosby played 22 games. Bergeron was second his team in points and won the Selke.
Crobsy had more than 50% of the amount of points that Bergeon had-in just 22 games. I'm not saying that Crosby had a better season (or that Pronger had a better season than Niedermayer)-BUT having a better season =/= the better player.

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So they actually got out of his caphit from this..... Lucky ********.
Yes, the Flyers are lucky to lose their best defenseman to an injury like a concussion without any comparable replacement. Before Pronger was concussed to the point where Chris Pronger admitted he had a concussion, he was still a great defenseman.

Pronger wasn't just someone who was getting old and breaking down. If that was the case I'd understand saying the Flyers were lucky. Pronger had a brain injury that would affect any player no matter what their age is. He was hit in the eye with a stick, and then came back, played and was hit in the head again. There were articles saying he was still stumbling around the house, having headaches, and having sight problems months after the concussion. Lucky injury for the Flyers and Chris Pronger.

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Not a fan of him (or his wife) but 99 MVP Pronger is probably the closest thing to Bobby Orr the defensive position has ever seen.

Why didn't she/he pick So Cal over STL

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12-15-2012, 04:17 AM
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Not a fan of him (or his wife) but 99 MVP Pronger is probably the closest thing to Bobby Orr the defensive position has ever seen.

Why didn't she/he pick So Cal over STL
His wife is from Stl.

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Brutal glimpse into what life is like in football. Guys ending it like Pronger are the norm in football.

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Not a fan of him (or his wife) but 99 MVP Pronger is probably the closest thing to Bobby Orr the defensive position has ever seen.

Why didn't she/he pick So Cal over STL
I loath Pronger, but he was one of the best the league had , and comparing him to Bobby Orr is just outright sickening.


Love or hate him he was a great hockey player in his own right.


Best wishes on a good life with hopefully a full recovery.

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12-15-2012, 11:59 AM
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Yes, the Flyers are lucky to lose their best defenseman to an injury like a concussion without any comparable replacement. Before Pronger was concussed to the point where Chris Pronger admitted he had a concussion, he was still a great defenseman.

Pronger wasn't just someone who was getting old and breaking down. If that was the case I'd understand saying the Flyers were lucky. Pronger had a brain injury that would affect any player no matter what their age is. He was hit in the eye with a stick, and then came back, played and was hit in the head again. There were articles saying he was still stumbling around the house, having headaches, and having sight problems months after the concussion. Lucky injury for the Flyers and Chris Pronger.
yes lucky

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12-15-2012, 01:20 PM
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I hate Pronger's dirty play but secretly wanted him on my team. What a talent. Hate concussions taking away HOF players.
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