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12-12-2012, 12:22 PM
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KKurzCSN 10:20am via Twitter for Mac According to @NHLPA, Douglas Murray is one of 11 players in today's CBA meetings. No owners present.

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KKurzCSN 10:20am via Twitter for Mac According to @NHLPA, Douglas Murray is one of 11 players in today's CBA meetings. No owners present.
Finally, Doug should get it done.

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12-12-2012, 09:23 PM
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http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/c...ses?source=rss

SJ Merc editorial -- get the lockout resolved!

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Meh. Just cancel the season already. The owners aren't going to move anymore, so if they players aren't willing to take the last offer, the NHL might as well stop prolonging the inevitable and just cancel the season. At least then whatever litigation or other moves either side is planning can get underway sooner and there would be a better chance we see some hockey next year.

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Couture was 1 of the players named in the nhl' suit today.

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12-15-2012, 12:22 AM
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Good. At least now we're getting somewhere. Fire up the lawyers, figure out who has the legal leverage and get the damn thing settled before next season.

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12-15-2012, 02:19 AM
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Couture was 1 of the players named in the nhl' suit today.
I like Couture as a hockey player, but as a person he really has turned into a weasel in this process. Lost a lot of respect for him.

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12-15-2012, 09:43 AM
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I like Couture as a hockey player, but as a person he really has turned into a weasel in this process. Lost a lot of respect for him.
i can't remember him saying anything really to bad, the last thing i remember was when he 1st came back to north america and he said he was 100% behind fehr (its good that he is standing behind his union), but bad bad bad in the essence that they technically want to fire fehr by decertifying lol.

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12-15-2012, 11:24 AM
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i can't remember him saying anything really to bad, the last thing i remember was when he 1st came back to north america and he said he was 100% behind fehr (its good that he is standing behind his union), but bad bad bad in the essence that they technically want to fire fehr by decertifying lol.
They're not firing Fehr by decertifying or disclaiming interest. They're just sending him home for a while in the hopes that the owners crack, in which case the union reforms in a day and picks right up where they left off. Which is exactly why the owners filed their grievance with the NLRB, as they are arguing that decertification is a negotiating ploy and in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the rules concerning decertification. And the owners are dead right on this issue. If decertification meant that the players union would be dissolved for ever, it wouldn't even come up as a topic of discussion with the NHLPA. If the players think the economics of the latest offer are bad, they have no idea how bad it would be for them without the union. Except for a small group of superstars, it would be way worse. And the league would be a mess.

What the players need to realize is that, if the owners win on the issues before the federal court and the NLRB, the union is toast and the deal they are going to get is going to be way worse than what is on the table right now. If this goes to the courts, the outcome for either side could be awful, but it's much more likely to wind up bad for the players.

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12-15-2012, 05:01 PM
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They're not firing Fehr by decertifying or disclaiming interest. They're just sending him home for a while in the hopes that the owners crack, in which case the union reforms in a day and picks right up where they left off. Which is exactly why the owners filed their grievance with the NLRB, as they are arguing that decertification is a negotiating ploy and in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the rules concerning decertification. And the owners are dead right on this issue. If decertification meant that the players union would be dissolved for ever, it wouldn't even come up as a topic of discussion with the NHLPA. If the players think the economics of the latest offer are bad, they have no idea how bad it would be for them without the union. Except for a small group of superstars, it would be way worse. And the league would be a mess.

What the players need to realize is that, if the owners win on the issues before the federal court and the NLRB, the union is toast and the deal they are going to get is going to be way worse than what is on the table right now. If this goes to the courts, the outcome for either side could be awful, but it's much more likely to wind up bad for the players.
Very well said.

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12-15-2012, 05:10 PM
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They're not firing Fehr by decertifying or disclaiming interest. They're just sending him home for a while in the hopes that the owners crack, in which case the union reforms in a day and picks right up where they left off. Which is exactly why the owners filed their grievance with the NLRB, as they are arguing that decertification is a negotiating ploy and in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the rules concerning decertification. And the owners are dead right on this issue. If decertification meant that the players union would be dissolved for ever, it wouldn't even come up as a topic of discussion with the NHLPA. If the players think the economics of the latest offer are bad, they have no idea how bad it would be for them without the union. Except for a small group of superstars, it would be way worse. And the league would be a mess.

What the players need to realize is that, if the owners win on the issues before the federal court and the NLRB, the union is toast and the deal they are going to get is going to be way worse than what is on the table right now. If this goes to the courts, the outcome for either side could be awful, but it's much more likely to wind up bad for the players.
i know there technically not firing fehr, and once it starts up. but at the same time they are saying they could do better without fehr at the helm lol.

but i'm hoping the players weren't really looking forward to those single hotel rooms, or the extra doctors, or there insurance being paid, or the pension for after they retire.

i still say if they do try and decert they should not be able to just put there union back together once the deal is done.

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12-15-2012, 07:01 PM
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I like Couture as a hockey player, but as a person he really has turned into a weasel in this process. Lost a lot of respect for him.
I've lost respect for everyone involved, so overall, Logan's in about the same place in my eyes.

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12-15-2012, 09:38 PM
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With pregnant wife due to deliver soon, and frustration growing, Malhotra steps away from active participating in CBA negotiations.

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I like Couture as a hockey player, but as a person he really has turned into a weasel in this process. Lost a lot of respect for him.
He is not as bad as others though

Prust , Darche , Toews , Upshall and Bolland IMO will come out of lockout for players side with worse damage to there reputations


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Prust , Darche , Toews , Upshall and Bolland IMO will come out of lockout for players side with worse damage to there reputations
+ Mayers, Campoli (if he even gets a job).

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12-15-2012, 10:27 PM
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+ Mayers, Campoli (if he even gets a job).
I forgot about Mayers

As for Campoli ,, I doubt he was ever playing in NHL again anyway and he already was regarded by me as an idiot from his time with Hawks

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12-16-2012, 12:28 AM
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I like Couture as a hockey player, but as a person he really has turned into a weasel in this process. Lost a lot of respect for him.
What exactly did Couture say? I remember a post talking about the 50/50 and retweeting one of Bisonette's tweets, but I don't remember him saying anything bad about Bettman or how he has no money. Did I miss something?

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He is not as bad as others though

Prust , Darche , Toews , Upshall and Bolland IMO will come out of lockout for players side with worse damage to there reputations
As far as I'm concerned, they are all weasels. Hockey players had a reputation as being class guys. Well, there are a select few that has ruined that reputation.

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What exactly did Couture say? I remember a post talking about the 50/50 and retweeting one of Bisonette's tweets, but I don't remember him saying anything bad about Bettman or how he has no money. Did I miss something?
It's more about his demeanor and attitude than what he's said. I see comments from him, and other players, and think they're all weasels. It's sad.

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It's more about his demeanor and attitude than what he's said. I see comments from him, and other players, and think they're all weasels. It's sad.
Any examples?

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Any examples?
His twitter feed, for one, which is why I stopped following him. Can't really think of any others though at the moment.

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His twitter feed, for one, which is why I stopped following him. Can't really think of any others though at the moment.
I ask for examples of his tweets and you say his twitter feed.
I'm looking at it now and I'm not seeing much. From what I saw, I think he's being pretty conservative. All he said is that he supports Fehr, which he has to say since he's part of the NHLPA. If he doesn't, he'll get antagonized like Neivirth and Hamrlik. He didn't say he was being treated like cattle like Upshall did, isn't talking out of his *** like Bisonette, isn't joking about the lack of money like Neal.
Again, unless I'm missing something.

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His twitter feed, for one, which is why I stopped following him. Can't really think of any others though at the moment.
Care to explain that a little bit more? I really dont see whats wrong with his twitter feed.

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