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12-13-2012, 05:20 PM
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No idea why there is a lengthy conversation about MacKinnon or Barkov. Not.Gonna.Happen.

Maybe someone should just start a 2013 Draft thread and have these type of conversations there...

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12-13-2012, 05:26 PM
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No idea why there is a lengthy conversation about MacKinnon or Barkov. Not.Gonna.Happen.

Maybe someone should just start a 2013 Draft thread and have these type of conversations there...
Won't last too long. And who cares if it probably won't happen, it still could happen. We probably weren't going to get Crosby in the last lottery, but we did. We had a 6% chance of winning the last draft. Now we only have a 2% chance. I don't really see that sizable of a difference there. But I'll make the thread anyway.

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12-14-2012, 12:05 PM
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This isn't football where you draft for immediate help. You draft in hockey based on potential. At least that is what I'd do. What if the best player available has already peaked? Obviously, there are some cases where BPA is the best choice, but not every time.

The good thing about Barkov is that he already is very good and has good potential. I really think he could go before Mac, he's that good.
BPA doesn't mean who's the best at the current time, it's who is going to be the best (or rather, who you project is going to be the best). No one cares about who's the better junior player.

I still firmly believe Mackinnon's the class of the draft. Haven' seen nearly enough of Barkov to judge but you can't beat Mackinnon's speed + skill combo. Not small either.

Seriously though, we could end up drafting anywhere. Doesn't hurt to hypothesize. It's not out of the question at all if we end up drafting top ten.

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12-14-2012, 12:22 PM
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So Harrington, Maata, and Bluegers have made their teams, right? So that leaves Zlobin as the last one who has a shot of making it. He should have an ok chance, right?

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12-14-2012, 12:59 PM
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Harrington with an 'A' for Canada. Huberdeau got the other one and RNH has the C.

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12-14-2012, 01:36 PM
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Harrington with an 'A' for Canada. Huberdeau got the other one and RNH has the C.
Not bad for a guy that shouldn't even be there.

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12-14-2012, 07:43 PM
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You go BDA, obviously.

Bonus points if he happens to be American or plays for London or Portland.
Fun fact - the Pens have drafted as many Europeans as Americans under Shero (9 each). And that's counting Samuelsson solely as American.

To be fair, though, the 2012 draft really skewed things, thanks to Maatta, Blueger, Sundqvist and Zlobin, without adding a single American (Pouliot, Murray, Marcantuoni, Maguire and Seymour are all Canadian).

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12-14-2012, 10:25 PM
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I was a bit surprised that Bluegers wasn't at some WJC camp this weekend. Guess he's going to play tomorrow and then join the Latvian team. He had 3 assists in a 6-3 win over Nebraska-Omaha. Now at 12 pts (2-10) through 17 games and his been particularly hot his lat few games. Bluegers is the 3rd line center and gets pp time so it's pretty impressive that he has produced as well as he has this year (tied for 4th on team in scoring). Also MSU is having it's best season in quite a while this year. Excited at the chance to see him at the WJC. Lativa has a pretty favorable group so maybe they can shock some people and get an extended look at Bluegers.

Archibald had an assist for UNO. Has 16 pts (7-9) through 17 games.

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12-15-2012, 06:05 AM
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Ben Hanowski also picked up an assist in a 5-3 win, 12 pts (4-8) in 12 games.

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12-15-2012, 08:43 AM
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12-15-2012, 10:54 AM
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This is what Yohe said about the WBS game last night:

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- Beau Bennett sticks out among the forwards. The rest are pluggers of varying degrees. Bennett is really talented. He will be in the NHL by next season.
- Eric Tangradi is ready for the NHL. Ready to thrive in the NHL? That's up to him. But he's just overpowering people in the AHL.
- Joe Morrow is great in the offensive zone. Defensively, the organization is breaking him down and building him back up. Give him a year. He's special.
- Simon Despres is banged up and didn't play. But he's ready for the NHL. We all know that.

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12-15-2012, 05:03 PM
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In my opinion, the Pens need to play a defensive system. It's easier to make Sid play defense than Martin play offense. Run a system like what the Lightning have, capitalize on turnovers and work from there. The 1-3-1 is probably the best system in the league. Imagine what it could do on a good team.
Once teams figured out the 1-3-1 it was easy to shut down. Teams started forechecking at the opposing blueline making the advantage of a quick breakout pass unavailable. Thats a big reason why they didn't make the playoffs last year. The 1-3-1 is more of a one trick pony; only useful against an aggressive two man forecheck. Trust me, the 1-3-1 is dead. Refs will start calling delay of game penalties on the d-man who sits back and waits for the forecheck to come. Three of the last six cups have been won by aggressive forecheck systems that wear down the defensive core of the opposing team in a 7 game series (pens, hawks, kings). It also scares the d-men and causes mistakes.
What the pens need is a shutdown tandem. The likes of which haven't been seen since scud and gill. Heres hoping for a combination of strait, bortuzzo, despres, dumoulin, or harrington will fill that number 3 & 4 spot (I include despres eventhough I think he will be paired with tanger, because he is so solid in the d zone. Has anyone noticed WBS has not won since his injury?). Guys that can log big, safe minutes. Would have made all the difference against philly last year.

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12-15-2012, 05:27 PM
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Pouliot cut. Kinda surprised it happened already. Monahan got cut also (36 points in 24 games in OHL). I see a rigged team
Totally agree with you. Monahan being cut is ridiculous, considering Hudon is still there. Kinda surprised Wotherspoon made it too. On a side note, Pouliot is still tearing it up with half the hawks talent still at camps.

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12-15-2012, 06:56 PM
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Can someone outline some info on Ruopp? What are his strengths, weaknesses, etc?

It seems on the outside that he's pretty unique among the defensive prospects, which is great, however is he just an enforcer-lite defenseman or can he actually play with the mean streak as a side to his game?

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12-15-2012, 07:12 PM
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Can someone outline some info on Ruopp? What are his strengths, weaknesses, etc?

It seems on the outside that he's pretty unique among the defensive prospects, which is great, however is he just an enforcer-lite defenseman or can he actually play with the mean streak as a side to his game?
He's a physical, stay at home defenseman with a big mean streak. He's not an eforcer, he's just a tough player that can drop the gloves if he needs to.

From what I gather, he's hard to play against, not just because he fights and hits but because he just has that nastiness to his game. Think Engelland or Bob Boughner.

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12-15-2012, 11:06 PM
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Pouliot has a goal tonight. 3-0 Hawks so far

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12-16-2012, 06:06 AM
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Pouliot has a goal tonight. 3-0 Hawks so far
Finished the game a plus 4 to. if he plays 72 games like he did last year he'll end up with 17 goals 61 assists 77 points + 56.

Bryan Rust scored a goal in a 4-1 Notre Dame win, he's now 5-9-14 in 18 games. Ben Hanowski scored the GW in a 3-1 win over Colorado College, he's now 5-8-13 in 13 games. Josh Archibald picked up an assist in a 5-1 win over Teddy Blueger's Minnesota State, Blueger was held pointless but has 2-10-12 in 18 games (half of his Points have come on the PP). Archibald now has 7-10-17 in 18 games with almost all his scoring come at ES.

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12-16-2012, 10:22 AM
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Do you think this would be an accurate opening day roster for the Pens:

Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Tangradi-Crosby-Bennett
Dupuis-Sutter-Kennedy
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Despres
Martin-Orpik
Dumoulin-Niskanen

That is, if we re-sign all of our free agents?

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12-16-2012, 10:33 AM
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Do you think this would be an accurate opening day roster for the Pens:

Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Tangradi-Crosby-Bennett
Dupuis-Sutter-Kennedy
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Despres
Martin-Orpik
Dumoulin-Niskanen

That is, if we re-sign all of our free agents?
I dont think Bennett or Dumoulin will be on the big pens this season (if there is one)

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12-16-2012, 10:38 AM
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Do you think this would be an accurate opening day roster for the Pens:

Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Tangradi-Crosby-Bennett
Dupuis-Sutter-Kennedy
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Despres
Martin-Orpik
Dumoulin-Niskanen

That is, if we re-sign all of our free agents?
Not at all. Kunitz won't stay with Malkin. It was nice last year, but you can't give Crosby 2 rookies and Malkin 2 proven scorers. That's just wrong and a bad way to treat your captain who signed for life. I'd almost guarantee that Sid gets Kunitz and Malkin gets Neal.

The Bennett situation is an interesting one. From what I've seen and read he seems to be figuring out how to play the pro game, but if the season is NOT cancelled and we get a CBA soon he'll probably stay in WBS. However if we lose a season, get a new CBA and he has a good camp in 2013, I bet he could earn a spot on the roster.

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Do you think this would be an accurate opening day roster for the Pens:

Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Tangradi-Crosby-Bennett
Dupuis-Sutter-Kennedy
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Despres
Martin-Orpik
Dumoulin-Niskanen

That is, if we re-sign all of our free agents?
Do you mean for the 2013-14 season? or an abbreviated 2012-13 season?

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12-16-2012, 10:51 AM
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I got to see Matia Macaroni last night. I don't know if its ever mentioned, but he was very defensively responsible. He also sports an 'A' on the chest and scored in the shootout.

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Do you mean for the 2013-14 season? or an abbreviated 2012-13 season?
13-14 season. Assuming this one gets canceled with all of the legal BS that's happening

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Not at all. Kunitz won't stay with Malkin. It was nice last year, but you can't give Crosby 2 rookies and Malkin 2 proven scorers. That's just wrong and a bad way to treat your captain who signed for life. I'd almost guarantee that Sid gets Kunitz and Malkin gets Neal.

The Bennett situation is an interesting one. From what I've seen and read he seems to be figuring out how to play the pro game, but if the season is NOT cancelled and we get a CBA soon he'll probably stay in WBS. However if we lose a season, get a new CBA and he has a good camp in 2013, I bet he could earn a spot on the roster.
My original idea was Tangradi-Malkin-Neal and Kunitz-Crosby-Bennett, but I decided to go with the other idea I had. I was talking about the beginning of the 13-14 season. There is no chance/reason for him to be in the NHL this season.

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I dont think Bennett or Dumoulin will be on the big pens this season (if there is one)
I was referring to next season. I don't expect any season at this point, now that the NHLPA is decertifying and the NHL is suing them over it.

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