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12-11-2012, 12:51 PM
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You know, usually when a team draft a prospect they had him higher than his draft rank in their own ranking.

So the simple fact that Colombus drafted him instead of another player mean they feel highly about him. Its often the same for signed UFA who does with the team who offers them the most $.

So there is a normal gaps between the asking and bidding price. We understand that.

I just feel that "overpayment" and "untouchable" are strong word in this case.
I'm sorry, I don't understand this.

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12-11-2012, 01:12 PM
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Jenner isn't untouchable. It's just the cost to acquire him is so high that we (Columbus fans) are saving you time by just saying he is.

The same goes for guys like Johansen, Murray, Atkinson, etc. They're prospects (or recently graduated) and until the organization knows what they have they likely won't be moved. Especially for the Jackets who just finished last and are rebuilding through youth. You simply don't move young players with potential when you are in that situation.

As for what the Jackets need, we have plenty of NHL defensemen, defensive prospects, and 2nd-4th line NHL'ers. They need a star forward or an established #1 goaltender on a decent contract. That won't happen through a trade though and will likely only happen through drafting (we have 3 1st's this year) and developing.

What that means is that the Jackets will likely be a boring team with regards to trades and FA signings for the next year or so. They're mainly going to draft and play with what they have.

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12-11-2012, 03:16 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't understand this.
i am equally sorry that my english level limit my hability to express myself clearly.

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Jenner isn't untouchable. It's just the cost to acquire him is so high that we (Columbus fans) are saving you time by just saying he is.

The same goes for guys like Johansen, Murray, Atkinson, etc. They're prospects (or recently graduated) and until the organization knows what they have they likely won't be moved. Especially for the Jackets who just finished last and are rebuilding through youth. You simply don't move young players with potential when you are in that situation.

As for what the Jackets need, we have plenty of NHL defensemen, defensive prospects, and 2nd-4th line NHL'ers. They need a star forward or an established #1 goaltender on a decent contract. That won't happen through a trade though and will likely only happen through drafting (we have 3 1st's this year) and developing.

What that means is that the Jackets will likely be a boring team with regards to trades and FA signings for the next year or so. They're mainly going to draft and play with what they have.
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It's these type of 'value of' or 'proposals' that need to be locked down before they even get started. Someone will come in with a proposal (which may have some decent value) but at the price of potential, said team does not even want to consider. So what usually happens? They say, "no, that wont cut it". Then we have a pissing contest between fan bases; however, at the end of the day it is really just a team not wanting to part with potential, but value always gets in the way.


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i am equally sorry that my english level limit my hability to express myself clearly.
Don't worry , i share the same problem. I know what i want to say....coming across proper is another story.

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12-11-2012, 03:38 PM
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Habs fan here who has season tickets to the Kitchener Rangers. I have watched Jenner play now a number of times and he has progressed a whole lot over his OHL career.

He is right up there with the league leaders in goals and can play a good defensive game as well. I wish that he was a Habs prospect. I do not think that he will be a star player in the NHL but a very good complimentary first or second liner. I think somewhere between the lines of a Jochen Hecht and a Max Paccioretty. Boone has decent size and uses it to good use. I think that he will be a 45-55 point a season player, year in and year out.

As for trade value I believe that he has more value on the Blue Jackets than any other team. A team would have to overpay for him. If I were to talk trades with the Leafs I would start off with Nazem Kadri strait up for Boone Jenner. Kadri is pretty much NHL ready now and could help Columbus sooner rather than later.

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12-11-2012, 04:32 PM
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It isn't just Jenner.

The CBJ just really don't know what they have.... up and down the line up.

Starting at the top they have John Davidson as the new President of Hockey Ops.

A coach that led the team for half the season.

5 acquired Players that have never played for the Jackets, Dubinsky, Foligno, Anisimov, Aucoin and Bobrovsky)

A defensive pair that played very well but missed 20+ games apiece in Tyutin & Nikitin

A defensive pair that project to be team leaders that played 21 and 48 games in Johnson & Wiz.

Kids in the AHL that were regulars last year for one reason or another and may or may not have a place.

So to echo a previous sentiment. Just don't see anything going on trade wise until they can get bodies on the ice and see who goes with who and what the squad looks like. Much less trying to project what the return of a highly valued prospect might be.

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12-16-2012, 12:22 AM
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this is a great explanation...

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Jenner isn't untouchable. It's just the cost to acquire him is so high that we (Columbus fans) are saving you time by just saying he is.

The same goes for guys like Johansen, Murray, Atkinson, etc. They're prospects (or recently graduated) and until the organization knows what they have they likely won't be moved. Especially for the Jackets who just finished last and are rebuilding through youth. You simply don't move young players with potential when you are in that situation.

As for what the Jackets need, we have plenty of NHL defensemen, defensive prospects, and 2nd-4th line NHL'ers. They need a star forward or an established #1 goaltender on a decent contract. That won't happen through a trade though and will likely only happen through drafting (we have 3 1st's this year) and developing.

What that means is that the Jackets will likely be a boring team with regards to trades and FA signings for the next year or so. They're mainly going to draft and play with what they have.
Good answer

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12-16-2012, 11:21 AM
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No idea how the hype machine has made a dime a dozen future NHL 3rd liner into a highly sought after prospect. Boggles my mind.

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12-16-2012, 12:17 PM
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No idea how the hype machine has made a dime a dozen future NHL 3rd liner into a highly sought after prospect. Boggles my mind.
Have you ever even watched Jenner? He's not a blue chip prospect, but he's not dime a dozen either. Columbus has a real good prospect on their hands.

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12-16-2012, 12:41 PM
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Have you ever even watched Jenner? He's not a blue chip prospect, but he's not dime a dozen either. Columbus has a real good prospect on their hands.
Yes, dime-a-dozen prospects do not have that kid's intangibles or leadership.

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12-16-2012, 05:17 PM
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if Boone Jenner is an untouchable.

How many players are untouchable in this league?

(Jenner is the 8th best prospect of Colombus according to the latest top 20, while Columbus is 21th in the prospect team ranking)

note: i am all aware of his current good season in the OHL.
Those rankings are garbage. Obviously Ryan Murray is #1. David Savard is basically an NHLer going forward and I don't think his upside is as high as Jenner's. Next are Erixon, Dansk, Tynan and Calvert, and none of them excite me. Erixon has been traded twice already and, IMO, will be a third-pairing+poweplay guy. Calvert is basically a third liner in every reality, even if he finds his scoring in the NHL and, frankly, I think Jenner is going to be better than Tynan as well. Realistically, he should be Columbus' #2-3 prospect, and that's after Murray, who is clearly a blue chip.

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12-16-2012, 07:52 PM
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Those rankings are garbage. Obviously Ryan Murray is #1. David Savard is basically an NHLer going forward and I don't think his upside is as high as Jenner's. Next are Erixon, Dansk, Tynan and Calvert, and none of them excite me. Erixon has been traded twice already and, IMO, will be a third-pairing+poweplay guy. Calvert is basically a third liner in every reality, even if he finds his scoring in the NHL and, frankly, I think Jenner is going to be better than Tynan as well. Realistically, he should be Columbus' #2-3 prospect, and that's after Murray, who is clearly a blue chip.
You forgot Cam Atkinson

Also, I don't see how being traded twice has any effect on Erixon's potential.

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I could see him having a Mike Ricci like career/impact, only in a lower scoring era, of course.

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12-16-2012, 08:13 PM
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I love Boone and I made a thread just like this 2 months ago and back then CBJ fans said they would rather keep him. I assume they still have the same opinion. It will be interesting to see during the WJC if Boone is the producer on that line or Biggs. As on of my friends said to me "it is easy to be creative player when you have a monster on your line watching your back."

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You forgot Cam Atkinson

Also, I don't see how being traded twice has any effect on Erixon's potential.
It doesn't, but he basically forced Calgary to trade him to us and then didn't endear himself enough to us to stick here. I think he'll be a third pairing/PP offensive d-man based on watching him play pre-season plus 20 regular season games for us. To be clear, I'm not insulting your prospects, so much as re-ordering them. I like CBJ and your prospects. I like Erixon too, but I've seen a good amount of him and don't see him being a reliable middle pairing guy as much as a bottom pairing puck mover whose great on the PP. I like Calvert a lot too, but he's going to be a third liner capable of chipping in 15-25 with good speed and forechecking. Savard, to me, is going to be a regular in the NHL this year and is a good d-man, but I wouldn't be as excited about Savard's future as Jenner. Dansk... I don't know a whole lot about, but he's years away the way it takes goalies to develop. So, after that, I'm basically just saying that, long term, I see Jenner as the higher upside than Tynan or Atkinson and a real, exciting prospect. He's exciting to me because even if his offensive doesn't come through in the NHL, he should be a super safe bet to be a solid, two-way third line center with great leadership and enough skill to contribute in a pinch. And that's the safe, minimum bet, to me.

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I love Boone and I made a thread just like this 2 months ago and back then CBJ fans said they would rather keep him. I assume they still have the same opinion. It will be interesting to see during the WJC if Boone is the producer on that line or Biggs. As on of my friends said to me "it is easy to be creative player when you have a monster on your line watching your back."
Are we really going to go down that road? Jenner is the player he is with or without Biggs. I'd bet a lot of money he turns out better than him in the future aswell.

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Have you ever even watched Jenner? He's not a blue chip prospect, but he's not dime a dozen either. Columbus has a real good prospect on their hands.
Probably many more times than you, and live and in person.

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Are we really going to go down that road? Jenner is the player he is with or without Biggs. I'd bet a lot of money he turns out better than him in the future aswell.
Agreed. Jenner has stood out so much in the Generals games I've watched. Biggs has been alright, but Jenner is a lot better.

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Are we really going to go down that road? Jenner is the player he is with or without Biggs. I'd bet a lot of money he turns out better than him in the future aswell.
I am not going to get into this.... Time will tell...

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