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12-16-2012, 07:53 PM
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What exactly would be a fair trade for Simmonds?

Frattin+Blacker?
MacArthur+3rd?
Grabovski?
Kulemin+Blacker?

I know they don't need picks... but just trying to find something.


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12-16-2012, 08:01 PM
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I don't think the Flyers even consider that.

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12-16-2012, 08:02 PM
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Why would any team(especially one that's contending now) downgrade a player for a 3rd round pick?

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12-16-2012, 08:04 PM
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Why would any team(especially one that's contending now) downgrade a player for a 3rd round pick?
I'm just trying to figure out what would be a deal between leafs and flyers for Simmonds. Maybe MacArthur+4th for Simmonds sounds like a good deal straight up.

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12-16-2012, 08:07 PM
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Simmonds would only be traded to address a bigger need.

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12-16-2012, 08:08 PM
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I'm just trying to figure out what would be a deal between leafs and flyers for Simmonds. Maybe MacArthur+4th for Simmonds sounds like a good deal straight up.
MacA for Simmonds makes no sense.


Simmonds is not going anywhere beyond an upgrade and the only two players on our roster who could maybe be an upgrade is Kessel and Lupul. Simmonds fits well on the Flyers second line.

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12-16-2012, 08:10 PM
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Frattin and 2nd for Simmonds?
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I'm just trying to figure out what would be a deal between leafs and flyers for Simmonds. Maybe MacArthur+4th for Simmonds sounds like a good deal straight up.
No and No.

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MacA for Simmonds makes no sense.


Simmonds is not going anywhere beyond an upgrade and the only two players on our roster who could maybe be an upgrade is Kessel and Lupul. Simmonds fits well on the Flyers second line.
Their point totals are close but I find Simmonds to be an upgrade because he adds size and is much more gritty than Mac. Something the leafs need more of.

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12-16-2012, 08:11 PM
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Their point totals are close but I find Simmonds to be an upgrade because he adds size and is much more gritty than Mac. Something the leafs need more of.
And exactly why are the Flyers downgrading? Makes zero sense from our end, we don't need picks, especially a 4th.

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MacA for Simmonds makes no sense.


Simmonds is not going anywhere beyond an upgrade and the only two players on our roster who could maybe be an upgrade is Kessel and Lupul. Simmonds fits well on the Flyers second line.
This. I would say even Lupul is debatable, as we don't know how he would mesh with someone other than Kessel, but this is a very good post.

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12-16-2012, 08:12 PM
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Flyers won't move any major roster players, Simmonds included, unless it's for a potential top pairing defenseman. The forward core isn't something they want to compromise unless it addresses the greater need for a defenseman.

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12-16-2012, 08:14 PM
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I'd love Simmonds on the Leafs, however I can't think of a trade that would work and make sense for both sides.

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12-16-2012, 08:14 PM
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And exactly why are the Flyers downgrading? Makes zero sense from our end, we don't need picks, especially a 4th.
Fair enough. Flyers are a contender already. Kulemin would probably be more suited. But even still after last year, he wouldn't be enough. The only thing the Flyers really need to upgrade is their goaltending.

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12-16-2012, 08:16 PM
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I'd love Simmonds on the Leafs, however I can't think of a trade that would work and make sense for both sides.
I know, I'm trying to think of one. I want him playing for the leafs but can't think of any. I think a fair trade would have been Schenn+ for Simmonds before we traded him for JVR.

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12-16-2012, 08:27 PM
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What exactly would be a fair trade for Simmonds?

Frattin+Blacker? Easily.
MacArthur+3rd? Yup.
Grabovski? Nope.
Kulemin+Blacker? Close, would probably do it.

I know they don't need picks... but just trying to find something.
My take on your offers.

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12-16-2012, 08:28 PM
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Maybe something around Gunnarsson? Leafs add a 2nd or prospect?

Although trading their 2nd best defensive defenseman for another winger is probably not the smartest idea.

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12-16-2012, 08:31 PM
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The only way Simmonds is going to the Leafs is if it's part of a package for Phaneuf...and even then, I'm not too crazy about moving him.

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12-16-2012, 08:35 PM
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What exactly would be a fair trade for Simmonds?

Frattin+Blacker?
MacArthur+3rd?
Grabovski?
Kulemin+Blacker?

I know they don't need picks... but just trying to find something.
Maybe look for what Philly needs and then try and accommodate. Don't just see what pieces the leafs have that you see as expendable then throw a couple together.

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Maybe look for what Philly needs and then try and accommodate. Don't just see what pieces the leafs have that you see as expendable then throw a couple together.
I don't see Kulemin as expendable. MacArthur yes, Grabovski I think we can do without.

Blacker is a prospect.

Maybe Liles+MacArthur then. People say they need more D.

I wouldn't trade Phaneuf because Leafs are in dire need of D too.

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Maybe something around Gunnarsson? Leafs add a 2nd or prospect?

Although trading their 2nd best defensive defenseman for another winger is probably not the smartest idea.
Yeah, I don't think Gunnarsson would be available for another winger, the Leafs group of wingers is the least of their problems.

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Yeah, I don't think Gunnarsson would be available for another winger, the Leafs group of wingers is the least of their problems.
That's why I was putting trades as winger for winger. But obviously we would need to add more pieces for any of our wingers aside from Kessel/Lupul.

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I don't see Kulemin as expendable. MacArthur yes, Grabovski I think we can do without.

Blacker is a prospect.

Maybe Liles+MacArthur then. People say they need more D.

I wouldn't trade Phaneuf because Leafs are in dire need of D too.
Like I said, unless Phaneuf is coming the other way, Simmonds is off limits. The Flyers lack a #1 defenseman. They don't need any more #3 or #4 defensemen.

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12-16-2012, 08:59 PM
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Don't want to trade away Simmonds because:

A. Flyers just traded away another young winger (JvR)
B. He fits the team identity to a T.

I don't want to trade him unless a young, PMD top 4 dman is coming back.

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Gunnarsson + MacArthur
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Grossman + Simmonds


IMO it's good value, not sure if either side does it

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