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12-16-2012, 09:18 PM
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Hjalmarsson sounds like the type of guy you want.

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12-16-2012, 09:22 PM
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Would Marc-Edouard Vlasic qualify? What would his return be?

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12-16-2012, 11:19 PM
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Would Marc-Edouard Vlasic qualify? What would his return be?
Excellent option! From us I'm entitled to say that Jarred Tinordi is the kind of player you're looking for, but he's not for sale, and Gorges who's older would cost a fortune too.

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12-16-2012, 11:36 PM
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Subban could b on the market 4 the rite price. Yeah something like bogosian.

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ballard could be had for cheap and his speed might work well with buff

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12-17-2012, 12:33 AM
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Would Marc-Edouard Vlasic qualify? What would his return be?
He would certainly qualify considering he's at the top end of #2 defensemen, one of the top-ten best defensive players in the league, 25 years old, and signed to a nice 5-year contract extension.

As I've said in multiple other threads around here, I'd rather trade Couture than Vlasic, that's how vital I think he is to the Sharks.

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12-17-2012, 01:20 AM
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Hjalmarsson sounds like the type of guy you want.
Agreed, Hjalmarsson is a great fit and easily affordable too. Antropov would be kind of a fit however he is a UFA so deal doesn't work for him at this point. Maybe next summer something could be worked though, at age 25 he is perfect fit for Winnipeg.

Or maybe Chicago packages Hjalmarsson with some forward prospects or something (obviously a big plus needed) to get Byfuglien back

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12-17-2012, 01:37 AM
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Henrik Tallinder for Patrice Cormier
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Doug Murray for Patrice Cormier?
I would probably take either of those deals. I would prefer Tallinder however.

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Agreed, Hjalmarsson is a great fit and easily affordable too. Antropov would be kind of a fit however he is a UFA so deal doesn't work for him at this point. Maybe next summer something could be worked though, at age 25 he is perfect fit for Winnipeg.

Or maybe Chicago packages Hjalmarsson with some forward prospects or something (obviously a big plus needed) to get Byfuglien back
I would accept Hjalmarsson + Ben Smith + Teravainen for Byfuglien + Antropov.

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12-17-2012, 04:13 AM
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I think a guy like Adam Pardy is right in Winnipeg's wheelhouse.

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12-17-2012, 04:41 AM
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Sorry about the length...

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What is wrong with four very good defenseman even if three out of four are right handed?
Nothing really... but we're trying to have fun here talking ideas.

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Andy Greene?
He's probably too good; therefore, too expensive. He's one of your top guys last year. But hey, if we can work something out I'd be down

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Winnipeg-
Chris Butler
Greg Nemisz

Calgary-
Paul Postma
Patrice Cormier
Butler didn't fair well for tough minutes last season...
This is possible but I'm not sure. Seems more like a #5 guy than a #4, but it's close enough that I might bite... but second thought, probably not... close though...

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I wouldn't mind having Buff in Buff

In terms of value, I have to think that the difference between Sekera and Buff is not very big at all. Sekera is a do-it-all defenseman; he can play shutdown D, great skater, great passer, and can play big minutes, while Buff can be a big-bodied offensive dynamo. They also make exactly the same salary.

When prospects like Pysyk and McNabb become full time NHL-ers, Sekera could become expendable, but I would not add much to get Big Buff. Maybe a mid-round pick. Or Gerbe, but then Jets would also have to add.
You would have to. Byfuglien has his issues but his value is still larger than Sekera.
Sekera for the first time last season faced similar minutes he would in this situation, although the OZS wasn't quite low enough, and he was beating tough minutes but not like he's destroying them.
Byfuglien on the other hand was an offensive machine, beaten only by Karlsson. He was one of 7 D in the NHL to face tough QoC, have a +5 RelCorsi (if you believe in advstats), and score 5v5 +1.00 pts/60. The remainder of that list is Chara, Karlsson, Timonen, Nikitin, Bieksa, and Letang... pretty big company for results...
I'm not talking adding Grigs or Girgs, I know those guys are probably untouchable... but some addition is needed to level that playing field.

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Henrik Tallinder for Patrice Cormier
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Cormier is not needed. I wouldn't mind seeing a Tallinder for Antropov trade, but Antropov is a UFA at years end.
I like Tallinder a lot. He's slightly better than Hainsey and similar in how he polarizes fan-bases, but this exercise is really looking for someone with max age of 28ish, since we're talking 3+ years down the road type picture. Side note: interesting Ponikarovsky isn't in the talks for you guys he did a good job on your guys 3rd line.

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Doug Murray for Patrice Cormier?
Tempting, but Hainsey (current #4) had a similar usage this season and did better. Plus he's tad younger. More expensive right now, but if he'd re-sign, he'd likely be cheaper next contract.

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Would Marc-Edouard Vlasic qualify? What would his return be?
Your fellow SJS fan seems to think he over qualifies (TheJuxtaposer)... which may be. If so, the price may be too rich for the Jets.

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Subban could b on the market 4 the rite price. Yeah something like bogosian.
Point of this is to complete the Jets future top4 by finding a #4... not trading our future #1 for some other teams #1...

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ballard could be had for cheap and his speed might work well with buff
No... we'd do better to re-signing Hainsey. He'd probably be lower contract than current (and therefore cheaper), is better than Ballard, and similar age.
And, this is a Byfuglienless scenario.

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Agreed, Hjalmarsson is a great fit and easily affordable too. Antropov would be kind of a fit however he is a UFA so deal doesn't work for him at this point. Maybe next summer something could be worked though, at age 25 he is perfect fit for Winnipeg.

Or maybe Chicago packages Hjalmarsson with some forward prospects or something (obviously a big plus needed) to get Byfuglien back
This sounds along the lines of what I was thinking!
Now looking at Hockey Prosepectus (if it is to be trusted), your two best are LW, followed by two C's.
Teuvo Teravainen
Brandon Saad
Brandon Pirri
Mark McNeill

...which one were you thinking of... All their timelines would work out I think. If Jets went with one of the C, 3 years down the road the top9/top4 format for the Jets would be
Kane-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ladd-Pirri/McNeil-Little
Telegin-Burmistrov-???

Enstrom-Bogosian
Hjalmarsson-Trouba

I could buy into that with maybe a pick sweetner for not taking a top prospect.

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I think a guy like Adam Pardy is right in Winnipeg's wheelhouse.
not sure if serious....
Pardy needs sheltering and is not a tough mins dman...


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12-17-2012, 01:15 PM
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Andy Greene for 2013 or 2014 1st?

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12-17-2012, 01:18 PM
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I don't know why we'd trade Greene if we did a WPG first in 2013 in a deep draft would be fairly tempting

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12-17-2012, 02:05 PM
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I don't know why we'd trade Greene if we did a WPG first in 2013 in a deep draft would be fairly tempting
Winnipeg's 1st will most likely be much too low to make that realistic. Plus, Green's age doesn't really fit with the problem Garret is trying to solve.

IMO, the Jets could:

1) Try to move one of Bogo, Buff, or Trouba to the left. Either run a strictly O pair (Enstrom / Buff) and D pair (Bogo / Trouba), or some sort of mixture of the 4.

2) Use Free Agency to find a #3/4 defensive defenseman in the next 2-3 years.

3) (longshot) - A current prospect (Redmond, Melchiori, Yuen) is able to handle #4 minutes in 3-4 years.

4) Trade Buff for something similar to Hawks proposal above (defensive D plus another top prospect).


Personally, I could see the org trying 1,2, and hoping for 3 before jumping right to #4.

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12-17-2012, 02:07 PM
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Cormier is not needed. I wouldn't mind seeing a Tallinder for Antropov trade, but Antropov is a UFA at years end.
Forward? Check.

NHL ready? Check.

Physical player with adequate offensive potential? Check.

Someone Lou never wanted to trade in the first place? Check.

We're not going to get a first for any of our defensemen, I would love to get Bobby Holik Jr. back. He could step in right away. He's another guy in the Zubrus/Matteau mold that Lou and Conte absolutely love, you can never have too many of those players.

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12-17-2012, 02:17 PM
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Maybe Rusty Klesla from the Yotes? Or if he'll be too old by the time you're talking about, maybe Chris Summers? The Yotes are pretty stocked on D and at some point there are gonna be some moves.

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12-17-2012, 02:24 PM
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Forward? Check.

NHL ready? Check.

Physical player with adequate offensive potential? Check.

Someone Lou never wanted to trade in the first place? Check.

We're not going to get a first for any of our defensemen, I would love to get Bobby Holik Jr. back. He could step in right away. He's another guy in the Zubrus/Matteau mold that Lou and Conte absolutely love, you can never have too many of those players.
Things have changed since Conte drafted PC. I could be wrong but I don't see Cormier being anything better than a 4th liner, he's 22 already. I'd be disappointed to trade one of our top 4 defence-man for a 4th line player.

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Just to avoid misinterpretation, by 22 I don't mean Cormier is old, just that as a forward, he's not going to drastically improve his game anymore.

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Maybe Rusty Klesla from the Yotes? Or if he'll be too old by the time you're talking about, maybe Chris Summers? The Yotes are pretty stocked on D and at some point there are gonna be some moves.
Klesla doesn't fit with Garrett's 3-4 year outlook, but in a separate discussion I would defiantly want Kesla as a Hainsy replacement in the present. I actually used Klesla as an example of the exact type of player we could use in that spot.

Enstrom - Buff
Klesla - Bogo

wouldn't be bad at all.

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Would Marc-Edouard Vlasic qualify? What would his return be?
Vlasic is as untouchable as Couture. I'd ask for a lot, and I mean A LOT (ie. Bogo+). Douglas Murray certainly qualifies as a tough LHD, but he's barely top 4 at this point.

I think Winnipeg should go after someone like Edler, who will be a FA. If the cap goes down, I'm not sure Vancouver can re-sign him at $6 million, especially if they can't move Luongo.

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12-17-2012, 05:11 PM
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This sounds along the lines of what I was thinking!
Now looking at Hockey Prosepectus (if it is to be trusted), your two best are LW, followed by two C's.
Teuvo Teravainen
Brandon Saad
Brandon Pirri
Mark McNeill

...which one were you thinking of... All their timelines would work out I think. If Jets went with one of the C, 3 years down the road the top9/top4 format for the Jets would be
Kane-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ladd-Pirri/McNeil-Little
Telegin-Burmistrov-???

Enstrom-Bogosian
Hjalmarsson-Trouba

I could buy into that with maybe a pick sweetner for not taking a top prospect.
Not interested in Buff. The only player I was upset with getting rid of when we were in cap hell was Ladd, and I still feel that way (He was on a 1.65M contract, and our 4.1 overage would've been gone when the contract ended! Stupid ******* move!).

But I digress.

The player I would be most interested in acquiring would be Little. Is he available?

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Vlasic is as untouchable as Couture. I'd ask for a lot, and I mean A LOT (ie. Bogo+). Douglas Murray certainly qualifies as a tough LHD, but he's barely top 4 at this point.

I think Winnipeg should go after someone like Edler, who will be a FA. If the cap goes down, I'm not sure Vancouver can re-sign him at $6 million, especially if they can't move Luongo.
What I'm saying is hypohetical.

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What would Vancouver want for Tanev?

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What would Vancouver want for Tanev?
Tanev is a RHD, and the Canucks are seriously short on them in the organization; he's one of our few youngsters with good NHL upside too. He'd have to go to feel a need. Wouldn't mind shipping him and Booth for Wheeler and IDK Clitsome? Not sure which side he plays. But a decent RHD would need to come back.

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Tanev is a RHD, and the Canucks are seriously short on them in the organization; he's one of our few youngsters with good NHL upside too. He'd have to go to feel a need. Wouldn't mind shipping him and Booth for Wheeler and IDK Clitsome? Not sure which side he plays. But a decent RHD would need to come back.
Clitsome is LH but plays both sides.

Tanev plays both sides to I think?
Ya I don't think Tanev is something you'd guys would trade lightly. He's a prospect you guys have that I covet a lot, just to let you know.

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What would you be willing to offer for Klesla or Schlemko? I think either one of them would fit your bill. And while the Coyotes are not in a hurry to get rid of them, they could be had for a reasonable price.

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