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12-16-2012, 11:40 PM
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Good luck with that aqib, and Happy Festivus!..... as for the latter, Im guessing
its the last for this Council & Mayor yes?
Have the Minutes been posted yet?
Unless an emergency meeting is called.... correct.

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12-16-2012, 11:52 PM
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CoG ... AMF ... GWI ... CFD ...
We're going to need a glossary before this is over.

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12-17-2012, 12:40 AM
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We're going to need a glossary before this is over.
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(Wealthy enclave of Gated Communities in Georgia populated with primarily former Northeastern & Midwestern Americans)

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12-17-2012, 01:51 AM
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I like it. $8 million more in cuts with team than without

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12-17-2012, 04:38 AM
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I like it. $8 million more in cuts with team than without
Hey, that's only about 5% of the budget or so, right?

64 jobs eliminated. Not sure how many are currently filled. See page 6:

http://www.glendaleaz.com/Clerk/agen...121812-W02.pdf

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12-17-2012, 07:21 AM
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64 jobs eliminated. Not sure how many are currently filled. See page 6:
This is what Jones should be doing to get people to sign his petition. Present it as a choice between fire and police protection and teachers in schools vs a hockey team. Go to the local unions for these organizations and get them on his side, have them help gathering signatures. It's the only way he will ever get close to the necessary signatures.

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12-17-2012, 07:31 AM
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Festivus for the rest of us!

On a Glendale note, just a summation of the fund ponzi scheme:

Key Glendale staffers OK'd improper fund shifting

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...fers-fund.html

Top Glendale administrators, including interim City Manager Horatio Skeete, signed off on improper transfers from a city fund to help make ends meet, according to more than three years of records reviewed by The Arizona Republic.

The records, which include internal e-mails, provide insight on who was involved in the transfers. None of the e-mails about the transfers included now-retired City Manager Ed Beasley, but Skeete recently told the council final decisions always rested with Beasley.

Budget Director Sherry Schurhammer said she and Skeete had recommended providing the council with at least an estimate of the early-retirement penalty, but Beasley chose not to include it in his 2009-10 budget. Beasley could not be reached for comment.

The city auditor who reviewed the Risk Management Trust Fund this spring had raised concerns that Skeete was making it difficult to conduct the audit.

Asked whether he ever questioned or knew that the transfers were improper, Skeete said he relied on the risk manager and the HR head’s recommendation. “It probably should have been discussed more,” Skeete said.

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12-17-2012, 08:56 AM
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Hey, that's only about 5% of the budget or so, right?

64 jobs eliminated. Not sure how many are currently filled. See page 6:

http://www.glendaleaz.com/Clerk/agen...121812-W02.pdf
Here comes Austerity Claus...

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12-17-2012, 09:20 AM
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Festivus for the rest of us!

On a Glendale note, just a summation of the fund ponzi scheme:

Key Glendale staffers OK'd improper fund shifting

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...fers-fund.html

Top Glendale administrators, including interim City Manager Horatio Skeete, signed off on improper transfers from a city fund to help make ends meet, according to more than three years of records reviewed by The Arizona Republic.

The records, which include internal e-mails, provide insight on who was involved in the transfers. None of the e-mails about the transfers included now-retired City Manager Ed Beasley, but Skeete recently told the council final decisions always rested with Beasley.

Budget Director Sherry Schurhammer said she and Skeete had recommended providing the council with at least an estimate of the early-retirement penalty, but Beasley chose not to include it in his 2009-10 budget. Beasley could not be reached for comment.

The city auditor who reviewed the Risk Management Trust Fund this spring had raised concerns that Skeete was making it difficult to conduct the audit.

Asked whether he ever questioned or knew that the transfers were improper, Skeete said he relied on the risk manager and the HR head’s recommendation. “It probably should have been discussed more,” Skeete said.
interesting. beasley is not included in the emails, yet skeete is implicating him as the kingpin. this just keep getting dirtier by the day.

what's next?

please lord, don't tell us that shane was having an affair with joyce.

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12-17-2012, 09:58 AM
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This is what Jones should be doing to get people to sign his petition. Present it as a choice between fire and police protection and teachers in schools vs a hockey team. Go to the local unions for these organizations and get them on his side, have them help gathering signatures. It's the only way he will ever get close to the necessary signatures.
None of the reductions are in police or fire. Police lost >20 FTEs last year, including 10 vacant officer positions and a handful of crime prevention positions.

These reductions are mostly in parks & rec and in public works. Glendale Jazz & Blues Festival (400,000 annual attendance apparently) and downtown beautification positions eliminated. Preventative maintenance of HVAC systems eliminated.

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12-17-2012, 10:07 AM
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(Wealthy enclave of Gated Communities in Georgia populated with primarily former Northeastern & Midwestern Americans)
Forget the glossary, make it an atlas

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Hey there! Just stopping by for my monthly, "Has anything happened yet?"

Just 2 simple questions to get me on my way:

Is a deal done?
Is a deal almost done?

Thanks!

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Jamieson still hasnt showed the money despite a first deal with Glendale was done months ago...

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12-17-2012, 11:20 AM
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None of the reductions are in police or fire. Police lost >20 FTEs last year, including 10 vacant officer positions and a handful of crime prevention positions.

These reductions are mostly in parks & rec and in public works. Glendale Jazz & Blues Festival (400,000 annual attendance apparently) and downtown beautification positions eliminated. Preventative maintenance of HVAC systems eliminated.
He can still frame it something like this:

"This measure is going to cost the City of Glendale 64 jobs. Do you want to see a reduction in police or fire protection?"

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12-17-2012, 11:24 AM
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Just 2 simple questions to get me on my way:

Is a deal done?
Is a deal almost done?

Thanks!
No and No.. check back in a month.

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12-17-2012, 11:27 AM
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He can still frame it something like this:

"This measure is going to cost the City of Glendale 64 jobs. Do you want to see a reduction in police or fire protection?"
Or rather, a further reduction in police and fire protection.

He had to start over from zero last week though. With the contested mayoral election as well as the coincidental presidential election there was a large number of mayoral votes cast this past November. Moreover, the Glendale electorate seems rather apathetic to the situation. I don't think he'll get anywhere close.

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12-17-2012, 11:32 AM
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None of the reductions are in police or fire. Police lost >20 FTEs last year, including 10 vacant officer positions and a handful of crime prevention positions.

These reductions are mostly in parks & rec and in public works. Glendale Jazz & Blues Festival (400,000 annual attendance apparently) and downtown beautification positions eliminated. Preventative maintenance of HVAC systems eliminated.
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He can still frame it something like this:

"This measure is going to cost the City of Glendale 64 jobs. Do you want to see a reduction in police or fire protection?"
Skeete made it quite clear at the council meeting during which the latest Jamison lease was approved that although fire and police would not face cuts immediately, they would certainly need to face reductions in future years as they will have to wean themselves off the increased sales tax which sunsets in four years.

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12-17-2012, 11:42 AM
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Or rather, a further reduction in police and fire protection.

He had to start over from zero last week though. With the contested mayoral election as well as the coincidental presidential election there was a large number of mayoral votes cast this past November. Moreover, the Glendale electorate seems rather apathetic to the situation. I don't think he'll get anywhere close.
Sitting in front the library he never will. Enlisting others, who might be impacted by the job cuts, improves his chances a little. Even if it is still unlikely, it improves his chances.

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12-17-2012, 11:50 AM
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He can still frame it something like this:

"This measure is going to cost the City of Glendale 64 jobs. Do you want to see a reduction in police or fire protection?"
With all due respect, you seem to be clinging to an ideology that has no basis in reality. Politics are a cash sport, the nobility or righteousness of the matter is essentially irrelevant. You can frame the issue however you want; if you don't have funding for your referendum/initiative/candidate, you can't win.

If this Jones guy has financial backing, he can probable get the signatures.
If he doesn't have funding, he probably couldn't get a thousand signatures to condem Hitler.

If you want to take the suspense out of it, go find his campaign finance report. If he has less than say $15k in contributions and expenditures, then you can safely forget about this referendum.

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12-17-2012, 12:11 PM
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Is a deal done?
Is a deal almost done?

Thanks!
Friendly ghosts from the not-too-distant past.

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12-17-2012, 12:48 PM
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We're two weeks away from everything being finalized in two weeks.

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Plenty's happened. Unfortunately, because of the lockout penalty clause, we are in a holding pattern. It makes little sense for Jamison to close the deal before Jan. 31, 2013.


http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/tag/phoenix-coyotes/
•David Pagnotta via twitter: Part of the Glendale City Council vote: “3. (My fav) The Arena Manager will pay the city $60,000 for every game not played during the season caused by a lock out or player’s strike.”




https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...33095654195200

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•David Pagnotta via twitter: Part of the Glendale City Council vote: “3. (My fav) The Arena Manager will pay the city $60,000 for every game not played during the season caused by a lock out or player’s strike.”


https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...33095654195200
I believe Jamison is waiting to see if the potential NHL implosion occurs and there just isn't an NHL anymore. This would sure take care of the whole "we need an anchor tenant" issue.

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I believe Jamison is waiting to see if the potential NHL implosion occurs and there just isn't an NHL anymore. This would sure take care of the whole "we need an anchor tenant" issue.
It would also make talking about the continued existence of the Phoenix market for the last three years highly ironic....

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I believe Jamison is waiting to see if the potential NHL implosion occurs and there just isn't an NHL anymore. This would sure take care of the whole "we need an anchor tenant" issue.
I can't imagine a resolution of the Coyotes situation without a resolution of the labour dispute first.

If something concrete actually happens with the Coyotes, I will take that as a sure sign that a new CBA is close at hand.

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