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12-16-2012, 09:44 PM
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Vancouver trades LW Chris Higgins, D Keith Ballard and a 2013 2nd round draft pick to San Jose for RW Martin Havlat

Vancouver:
Pros:
-Vancouver gains a good top 6 forward to play with either the Sedins or Kesler.
-clears up cap space
-possible 55-65pts guy
Cons:
-Havlat might not bounce back from his injuries
-sacrifice our depth.
-our 3rd pairing defense would be very weak. Alberts-Tanev would get destroyed by opposing forwards

San Jose:
Pros:
-gains a versatile top 9 forward. Higgins can play 2nd, 3rd or 4th line with spot duties on the 1st in case of injuries
-gains depth on the blueline with the addition of Ballard. Ballard can play top 4 when given the chance
Cons:
-possible hole in top 6 if Higgins does not produce as he had in Vancouver
-if Havlat bounces back to a 70+pts guy

*If this trade is not good enough what would be a good even trade?

Vancouver roster
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Dale Weise ($0.615m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,668,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,531,667

San Jose roster
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Chris Higgins ($1.900m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.950m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m) / Brad Winchester ($0.725m)
John McCarthy ($0.613m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) /
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,816,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,383,333

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12-16-2012, 09:47 PM
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I don't think San Jose considers it. Personally I'd do it easily. It seems like classic quantity-for-quality.

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12-16-2012, 09:49 PM
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Hmmm. I don't know how I feel about this. Higgins is a pretty good player, He scored over 40 points last season next to a slumping Kesler and newly acquired Booth. If those two were rolling he'd be a 50 point guy easily. Couple that with his grit and mere 1.9mil contract I'm not sure he's a guy I'd like to move.

I'm really on the fence here. I have a feeling SJS passes.

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12-16-2012, 09:49 PM
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I don't think San Jose will accept Ballard, even with the other pieces. I'm also unsure how most Sharks fans will react, as I know Havlat isn't the most popular player there, but Higgins is about the only piece coming back they'd want. I don't think this flies on their end, but if it does, great, I'm in, and I love Higgins.

Maybe Booth+Higgins for Havlat+conditional pick on games played?

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12-16-2012, 09:51 PM
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San Jose would likely be the last team in the entire league that would want Ballard.

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12-16-2012, 09:55 PM
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Not a chance from the Sharks.

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12-16-2012, 10:01 PM
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No way. Havlat's return from injury changed the complexion of this team and gives us the speed that we desperately need in our top 6.

Ballard basically has negative value for us because of his salary. Don't mind Higgins but we're not trading top 6 wingers for him.

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12-16-2012, 10:05 PM
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no chance....

but what about boyle and clowe for edler and hansen?

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12-16-2012, 10:08 PM
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no chance....

but what about boyle and clowe for edler and hansen?
Nope. Our core is old enough as is, I don't see us trading one of our few core players on the right side of 30 for Boyle, even though he's a great player.

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12-16-2012, 10:12 PM
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no chance....

but what about boyle and clowe for edler and hansen?
Edler unsigned? Possibly with a plus. Signed? No (I'd presume with negotiating rights from San Jose though). 6.66 for Boyle....we'd rather pay Edler that amount. If Edler, for some reason, has a mind for more then that....I guess...but the difference between Edler and Boyle is way more between Clowe and Hansen to us.

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12-16-2012, 10:14 PM
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Nope. Our core is old enough as is, I don't see us trading one of our few core players on the right side of 30 for Boyle, even though he's a great player.
fair point

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12-16-2012, 11:01 PM
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ballard is decent for a team that needs a 2nd pairing left side hip checker

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No thanks from SJ look what happend when he came back from his injury. It sparked our guys up.

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Quantity for quality, without addressing team needs for SJ.

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Booth Raymond and 1st for Marleau?

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12-16-2012, 11:44 PM
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Booth Raymond and 1st for Marleau?
Not even close.

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Booth Raymond and 1st for Marleau?
That's like saying Clowe, Galiardi, and a 1st for Kesler.

As for the OP, no way from SJ. We don't need Ballard, we don't want your late 2nd, and it's a huge downgrade from Havlat to Higgins.

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Kindly, no.

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Sharks get hosed. Clowe would be a better fit in Van whats the asking price?

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Sharks get hosed. Clowe would be a better fit in Van whats the asking price?
This idea has been hashed and re-hashed and it never works.

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Sharks get hosed. Clowe would be a better fit in Van whats the asking price?
A speedy second liner and a speedy tweener for the 2nd/3rd line. Last I heard, it was Booth and Hansen or Booth and Higgins.

I'd do Booth and Raymond, with the inclusion of a 2nd for San Jose's third.

Clowe and Havlat for (Edit: Stupid proposal)

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What Cog said.

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What Cog said.
Did I...Did I actually get it?

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You nailed it on what I'd ask for.

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You nailed it on what I'd ask for.
All those "Clowe to Vancouver" threads have rubbed off on me. It feels good to have not totally wasted my time on the general trade threads.

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