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12-16-2012, 09:08 PM
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Yeah I don't see that happening either. Maybe Kulemin+3rd for Simmonds.
Yep probably better value, I might do it.. I value Kule and Simmonds pretty equally now. Though last year I definitely wouldn't of lol

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12-16-2012, 11:00 PM
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Yeah I don't see that happening either. Maybe Kulemin+3rd for Simmonds.
I'd do that so fast. Simmonds is awesome.

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12-17-2012, 08:31 AM
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simmonds would be a good addition for the leafs but i dont see why we should give up kulemin + for him.

on an ideal roster our top 6 would be something like;


lupul xxxxx kessel
jvr grabs xxxxxx


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kulemin bozak xxxxxxx
brown mclemment xxxxxxx



i would want someone with a little more offensive upside then simmonds in my top 6 if possible and if you were going to put him on the 3rd line i would prefer the better defensive player ie; kulemin.

i would love a kulemin-bozak-simmonds line but realistically i have no idea what we could possibly offer philly that would get them to move him that wouldnt be an overpayment.

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12-17-2012, 10:33 AM
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simmonds would be a good addition for the leafs but i dont see why we should give up kulemin + for him.

on an ideal roster our top 6 would be something like;


lupul xxxxx kessel
jvr grabs xxxxxx


bottom 6 ;


kulemin bozak xxxxxxx
brown mclemment xxxxxxx



i would want someone with a little more offensive upside then simmonds in my top 6 if possible and if you were going to put him on the 3rd line i would prefer the better defensive player ie; kulemin.

i would love a kulemin-bozak-simmonds line but realistically i have no idea what we could possibly offer philly that would get them to move him that wouldnt be an overpayment.
On an ideal I would not have Bozie there at all. I think we could do better internally or with trade

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12-17-2012, 10:41 AM
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I'd do that so fast. Simmonds is awesome.
Is Simmonds a legit comparison for Tyler Biggs?

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12-17-2012, 11:29 AM
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I'd like to see Kulemin flourish as our premier 2nd line two way player. 50+ pts and great defense. Him and JVR on that line could be hard to handle offensively as well. But I'm hoping JVR pans out as a 1C.

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12-17-2012, 11:30 AM
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Is Simmonds a legit comparison for Tyler Biggs?
I don't think Biggs will be a 25g scorer. Just a guess, he's doing well this year, but I think he's a 15g, 30pt 3rd liner.

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12-17-2012, 01:50 PM
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I don't think Philly will want to trade Simmonds. However, I don't think he'll consistently be a 25+ goal scorer anyways. He'll probably settle down to 15G as a 2nd/3rd line tweener (probably like Kulemin going forward).

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12-18-2012, 01:03 PM
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On an ideal I would not have Bozie there at all. I think we could do better internally or with trade
i actually think bozak would excel if played in the right spot. if you dont set a player up to succeed how can you ever expect him to. its the same thing that happened to schenn. bozak is obviously not a 1st line center. he does the best he can. he has reasonable offensive skills and he is better defensively then he is given credit for. i much prefer him to anything we have on our current roster or on the marliers or any other level of development.

we really dont have many center prospects other then kadri and colborne, both of which i hope can be better then a 3rd line center. i think if bozak was placed on the 3rd line with kulemin and frattin as an example and was responsible to just focus on defense and the occasional secondary scoring he would be pretty good in that roll.

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12-18-2012, 01:42 PM
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I'd like to see Kulemin flourish as our premier 2nd line two way player. 50+ pts and great defense. Him and JVR on that line could be hard to handle offensively as well. But I'm hoping JVR pans out as a 1C.
Honestly I don't think JVR will work out at centre, but that's okay with me. I really think a JVR-Kule combo on the wings will be deadly .. Throw Grabo in the middle, I think that could be a huge line for the next season. JVR's size will open more room up than MacA could on that line for Grabs, not to mention along the boards, and JVR's skill level is much better than MacArthur .. Kule just has to keep going to the dirty areas and play smart defensively and I think he'd be effective and productive in that role.

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12-18-2012, 02:03 PM
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I don't think Philly will want to trade Simmonds. However, I don't think he'll consistently be a 25+ goal scorer anyways. He'll probably settle down to 15G as a 2nd/3rd line tweener (probably like Kulemin going forward).
I agree I think last season was an overachieiving year for Simmonds.

Just like Kulemin in the 10/11 season Simmonds benefited from a lot of powerplay time and a peak year in terms of shooting percentage.

I expect Simmonds to go back to being more of a 15-20 goal, 40 point physical winger.

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12-18-2012, 10:27 PM
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Cody Franson for Christopher Tanev+3rd. Cody Franson doesn't seem like he'd re-sign. I think Paul Ranger can take his place anyways. We get our hometown boy, they get theirs. Tanev can then spend time developing with the Marlies and we can see how he does from there.

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12-18-2012, 11:15 PM
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Cody Franson for Christopher Tanev+3rd. Cody Franson doesn't seem like he'd re-sign. I think Paul Ranger can take his place anyways. We get our hometown boy, they get theirs. Tanev can then spend time developing with the Marlies and we can see how he does from there.
Zero reason for the Canucks to do this.
Tanev is currently the better player and the Canucks are trying to win now.

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I'd do that so fast. Simmonds is awesome.
Man you guys think way too small.

We might have 2 Simmonds in the pipeline.

Lets go get someone elite.

Rielly + Kulemin + Reimer

for

Khabibulin + Hemsky + RNH



Gardiner + Grabovski + ???

for

??? + ??? + Mallkin


Think big people.

Ain't no chicken**** champions.

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12-19-2012, 05:04 AM
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Zero reason for the Canucks to do this.
Tanev is currently the better player and the Canucks are trying to win now.
Canucks fans have pictures of Tanev over their bed.

Forget him.

We got Defense. #1C and #1G is the list. Anthing less is of little interest.

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12-19-2012, 08:43 PM
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Anyone think we can land PK Subban after the lockout? He's on RFA status.

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Canucks fans have pictures of Tanev over their bed.

Forget him.

We got Defense. #1C and #1G is the list. Anthing less is of little interest.
Damn, I'd even do Franson for Tanev straight up.

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12-19-2012, 08:46 PM
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Anyone think we can land PK Subban after the lockout? He's on RFA status.
I wouldn't mind getting him but he is too important for Montreal to give up easily. Would cost our 1st+ and I don't think I am willing to give that package. Defensemen isn't exactly a need of ours going forward.

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12-19-2012, 08:52 PM
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I wouldn't mind getting him but he is too important for Montreal to give up easily. Would cost our 1st+ and I don't think I am willing to give that package. Defensemen isn't exactly a need of ours going forward.
Yeah I wouldn't give up a 1st+ either. But if he somehow goes unsigned, it would be great if we can get him.

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Yeah I wouldn't give up a 1st+ either. But if he somehow goes unsigned, it would be great if we can get him.
He is still an RFA though. So for the amount of money we would sign him for (assuming Montreal doesn't match) we would be giving up a 1st+ anyways as compensation.

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12-20-2012, 12:19 AM
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Man you guys think way too small.

We might have 2 Simmonds in the pipeline.

Lets go get someone elite.

Rielly + Kulemin + Reimer

for

Khabibulin + Hemsky + RNH



Gardiner + Grabovski + ???

for

??? + ??? + Mallkin


Think big people.

Ain't no chicken**** champions.

If Toronto fans are going to think big, they should also think realistic.

Malkin might be the best player in the game right now and its going to take a lot to persuade the Oilers to alter their plan with the kids in the system.

What exactly are the Leafs missing in their lineup and what's the hardest thing to replace? I think that according to most posts on here, a 1st line centreman, a front line goaltender, veteran defensive d-men and some quality 4th line players able to kill penalties and fight.

So I'm sure you can bring up guys like Broll or Crescenzi (insert 4th line fighter here) to fill that role in. The veteran defensive help can be obtained for very few prospects of value/higher draft picks. (Brooks Orpik type) A front line goaltender and 1st line centreman are going to be tough to get and would expect to overpay the most.

If anything, I go after one of Jaroslav Halak or Brian Elliott. And then I go and talk to San Jose about Joe Pavelski.

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So since the Luongo talk has died down, does that mean we aren't going after him anymore?

Might be better to find a cheaper, short term solution anyways if Burkie believes in Reimer. What goalies are potentially UFAs this coming offseason?

Nabokov, Thomas, Howard, Theodore, Khabibulin, Smith, Backstrom?

Any I missed?

Hopefully we can snag one to support Reimer along with a 1st/2nd line C. Obviously Getzlaf would be the top dog but I think he'll stay in Anaheim. Zajac or Weiss would be good targets as well. Ribeiro could be available and a decent option but I much prefer the other guys.

Add in a decent draft pick and the future starts looking a little brighter.

I would also be for trading Liles for a comparable defensive defenseman. I like Liles a lot but with Gardiner and Rielly (possibly next year) in the fold as our premier puck movers I think we need more solid defensive guys. Gunnarsson is a good start but we could definitely use another like him. Any team have a surplus of defensive guys and are looking for a puck mover?

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12-20-2012, 03:30 PM
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I don't think Biggs will be a 25g scorer. Just a guess, he's doing well this year, but I think he's a 15g, 30pt 3rd liner.
Simmonds never scored more than 25 in junior, highest output was 23.
I dont think he was ever projected to be 25 + scorer at the NHL level. It could very well be that his 28 goals last year was an abnormality, not his normal production. Either way, I think there are some comparisons there in terms of limited offensive upside, but a guy who can hit, fight and be reasonably productive as a 2nd/3rd line winger.

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