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12-17-2012, 01:30 AM
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Tanev + Kassian

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12-17-2012, 01:55 AM
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Anaheim trading Etem is probably less likely than MTL trading Max, but here goes:

Pacioretty

for

DSP
Etem

DSP has top-6 potential and brings size and power - I think he can get you 20 goals - and you get a high profile top-6 winger prospect in Etem. If their potential works out, Etem/Gally combo could be deadly for years to come.

With Selanne/Koivu likely gone after this season (or lack of season), Ducks bring in a sure thing to replace those goals.

Hopeful Ducks Top-6 next year:

Max - Getz - Perry
Ryan - Holland - Palmieri

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12-17-2012, 02:12 AM
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Patches for OEL? Probably would at least think long and hard about that trade from either side.

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12-17-2012, 05:54 AM
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personally as a habs fan i Would do:

Yakupov for Patches
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OEL for Patches

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12-17-2012, 06:50 AM
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Alas, I doubt Vancouver could afford Patches. The best they could do is Kassian+Jensen+

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hmm we seem lack a lot of top 6 talent, apart from MacPac/Pleks
So to fill our need for top 6 talent, we'd trade one of our few top 6 talent.

Talk about a pointless thread.

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A big legit top pairing d-man or a big, legit first line center in and around the same age as Pacioretty. The player should also be under contractual control for as long as Pacioretty is and not be an unproven prospect, unless it's a can't miss, blue chipper.

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12-17-2012, 08:29 AM
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Horrible, anyways Patches is too valuable to the habs plus he has a great contract.

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12-17-2012, 08:41 AM
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Wow, ive never heard that one before

Seriously? You can't just answer the question?

That is the most used quote on these boards and it is quickly getting annoying.
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But if he was on another team, would he worth more to this team than what Montreal would be willing to give up for him?

Just for fun, if he wasn't on our team, but on a team like Colombus, how much Montreal would be willing to give up for him?
If Montreal were to move him, it would probably require something outrageous the trading partner would not want to give up. He's developing into a good powerforward with a nose for the net. These players are rare and considering Montreal wants to shake of its ''small and soft'' label, a player like Pacioretty is invaluable to the Canadiens. He's exactly the type of forward the team's been looking for years.

Toronto for example, in my opinion would need to do that:

Rielly+ 2014 1st+ 2nd

Would the Leafs be willing to give up that much? I don't think so. Would Montreal be willing to give their best winger for less? I don't think so either.

Players like Pacioretty don't get moved out of the blue like that usually. Not only that, but the timing of trade him is god awful. Will he score 40 goals next year? Will he have a slump? Will he settle down as a 30-30 player? Montreal would move him out of desperation only. Guys like him would change team either because their contract has expired and they can't reach and agreement or if the team is dissatisfied with their play and decides to trade them. Otherwise there'd be no reason to trade him unless:

1. You get a gross overpayment in return.

2. You get a proven asset of the same value in return. This usually results in a lateral move more than anything.

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12-17-2012, 09:19 AM
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Montreal's doing well assembling a strong core in Pacioretty, Subban, Galchenyuk and Price. Those pieces are very complementary. It would take a lot to pry any of those 4 away from that group.

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Are you aware that even if its not the most probable path, there is a not negligible probability that Max Pac just had his best year in career and wont repeat a 30+ goals season again ?

The average age for a NHL forward career peak is 25yo, but there are a number of them who peak at 23yo.

Any of you remember Christopher Higgins at 24yo, while he was for a short time the best NHL goals scorer?

Many Montreal fans labeled him at this time as one of the most unrated player of the league and he was one of our most valuable asset, the kind of player you wanna build a team around for a decade.

Well, he never reached the 20 goals again.

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12-17-2012, 10:58 AM
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Are you aware that even if its not the most probable path, there is a not negligible probability that Max Pac just had his best year in career and wont repeat a 30+ goals season again ?

The average age for a NHL forward career peak is 25yo, but there are a number of them who peak at 23yo.

Any of you remember Christopher Higgins at 24yo, while he was for a short time the best NHL goals scorer?

Many Montreal fans labeled him at this time as one of the most unrated player of the league and he was one of our most valuable asset, the kind of player you wanna build a team around for a decade.

Well, he never reached the 20 goals again.
Which is exactly why it'd be stupid to move him now from either perspective. The team Montreal trades him to might give a lot, just so Pacioretty declines into a 20 goals scorer. In that situation, Montreal could run straight to the bank with the pieces given for him.

On the flipside, that team might get a consistent 35-40 goal scorer and Montreal might end up with mediocre players or busts. The future is uncertain for Pacioretty, he hasn't yet proven he can be a 30-35 goal scorer year in and year out, we don't exactly know what we'll get of him.

A player like Plekanec is proven and you know exactly what you'll get from him. 20-30 in a mediocre year, 25-35 in a good year, 30-40 in a great year. He's always between 50-70 pts and good for 20-30 goals. It'd be much easier to move a player like him than Pacioretty who, for all we know, may turn into a 40-40 guy or a 20-20 one.

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Are you aware that even if its not the most probable path, there is a not negligible probability that Max Pac just had his best year in career and wont repeat a 30+ goals season again ?

The average age for a NHL forward career peak is 25yo, but there are a number of them who peak at 23yo.

Any of you remember Christopher Higgins at 24yo, while he was for a short time the best NHL goals scorer?

Many Montreal fans labeled him at this time as one of the most unrated player of the league and he was one of our most valuable asset, the kind of player you wanna build a team around for a decade.

Well, he never reached the 20 goals again.
Chris Higgins never hit 30 goals or 60 points.

And what if this was just a hint of things to come for Pacioretty? He finished 4th in the league in Even Strength Goals. With a good PP he could hit 40 in a year.

Also, why do you constantly want to trade our best players for prospects? At some point you have to keep the players you have, not just constantly trade them away.

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12-17-2012, 11:03 AM
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Chris Higgins never hit 30 goals or 60 points.

And what if this was just a hint of things to come for Pacioretty? He finished 4th in the league in Even Strength Goals. With a good PP he could hit 40 in a year.

Also, why do you constantly want to trade our best players for prospects? At some point you have to keep the players you have, not just constantly trade them away.
i dont want to trade MaxPac, i dont want to trade our best players too.

i only want to trade Price.

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12-17-2012, 11:06 AM
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i dont want to trade MaxPac, i dont want to trade our best players too.

i only want to trade Price.
Why do you even want to trade Price? He's an excellent goalie and viewed as one of the 10 best in the league...or maybe you're the type to believe most goalies are actually equal and they benefit from systems more than from their own talent. In that case I can understand why you'd want to move Price as he'd be easily replaceable. Doubt reality is like that though.

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There are a handful of players I'd trade Pacioretty for like OEL or Tarasenko (if he comes over) but these would mostly be lateral moves and I'm happy with keeping Pacioretty.

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12-17-2012, 12:44 PM
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Patches for OEL? Probably would at least think long and hard about that trade from either side.
Phoenix doesn't.

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What are the Habs needs these days?
Scoring wingers with size. The guy this thread is about basically...

The habs are not up to the brim with good wingers prospects to begin with. actually, we have almost none that could potentially, eventually, replace patches' production, so nothing short of a ridiculous overpayment would be required. Oel for patches I'd do. Phoenix won't and for good reasons, but it gives you an idea of what he's worth to this team.

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12-17-2012, 01:22 PM
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personally as a habs fan i Would do:

Yakupov for Patches
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OEL for Patches
Of course you would. You're essentially calling Max a franchise player. He's a great complimentary player that any team would love to have, but he's not gonna get you that big of a return IMO.

I would offer Hemsky + Paajarvi though.

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Of course you would. You're essentially calling Max a franchise player. He's a great complimentary player that any team would love to have, but he's not gonna get you that big of a return IMO.

I would offer Hemsky + Paajarvi though.
I get why the yak trade wouldn't happen, but no way in hell does hemsky and paajarvi gets max

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I get why the yak trade wouldn't happen, but no way in hell does hemsky and paajarvi gets max
I didn't expect Hab fans to like it, but none of the young studs on the Oilers are going anywhere either.

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Are you aware that even if its not the most probable path, there is a not negligible probability that Max Pac just had his best year in career and wont repeat a 30+ goals season again ?

The average age for a NHL forward career peak is 25yo, but there are a number of them who peak at 23yo.

Any of you remember Christopher Higgins at 24yo, while he was for a short time the best NHL goals scorer?

Many Montreal fans labeled him at this time as one of the most unrated player of the league and he was one of our most valuable asset, the kind of player you wanna build a team around for a decade.

Well, he never reached the 20 goals again.
lol no he wasn't. Where do you regurgitate this crap from? Almost as bad as your obsession with wanting to trade Price.

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I love the terrible offers from the Canadian teams in this thread?

Kassian + Jensen?

Hemsky + Paajarvi?

Haha get the hell out of here.

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I love the terrible offers from the Canadian teams in this thread?

Kassian + Jensen?

Hemsky + Paajarvi?

Haha get the hell out of here.
I love the demands by Hab fans in this thread? <-- Not sure why this is a question mark.

Yakupov?

OEL?

Haha get the hell out of here.

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I love the demands by Hab fans in this thread? <-- Not sure why this is a question mark.

Yakupov?

OEL?

Haha get the hell out of here.
You have absolutely no idea do you?

You want Patches, you make an offer. If all you have to offer is spare parts that Montreal doesn't want, then let me quote your very own words and "get the hell out of here."

Montreal is not in the business of building a team for Edmonton. If your gm can't build his own team, then get another gm.

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