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12-16-2012, 10:35 PM
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I'd give you MacArthur and a 3rd for sure. MacArthur is a pending UFA and there's not going to be a season so that wouldnt work out.

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12-16-2012, 10:38 PM
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Misread post. Carry on.

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12-16-2012, 11:01 PM
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lol.
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12-16-2012, 11:04 PM
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Wow, I actually was thinking a few hours ago that I had not read a "good" Tor-Phi proposal on HF in a while. Thank you, Hockey Gods.

I would only move anybody in our Top 9 (Except Wellwood or Fedotenko, whoever would get the 3rd line spot) to the Leafs for Kessel, Gardiner, or Phaneuf. There is no deal to be made.

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12-16-2012, 11:15 PM
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Wow, I actually was thinking a few hours ago that I had not read a "good" Tor-Phi proposal on HF in a while. Thank you, Hockey Gods.

I would only move anybody in our Top 9 (Except Wellwood or Fedotenko, whoever would get the 3rd line spot) to the Leafs for Kessel, Gardiner, or Phaneuf. There is no deal to be made.
Lol what a homer post. You wouldn't trade someone like Matt Read or Briere for one of Kessel, Gardiner or Phaneuf?

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12-16-2012, 11:18 PM
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Lol what a homer post. You wouldn't trade someone like Matt Read or Briere for one of Kessel, Gardiner or Phaneuf?
No, that is the exact opposite of what I said. I guess I should have said "There is no deal to be made, however" (If that is what caused the confusion.)

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12-16-2012, 11:20 PM
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No, that is the exact opposite of what I said. I guess I should have said "There is no deal to be made, however" (If that is what caused the confusion.)
My mistake, read it wrong.

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12-16-2012, 11:22 PM
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Gunnarsson + MacArthur
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Grossman + Simmonds


IMO it's good value, not sure if either side does it
Probably the best proposal so far, but still doesn't meet the Flyers needs.

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12-16-2012, 11:26 PM
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Gunnarsson + MacArthur
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Grossman + Simmonds


IMO it's good value, not sure if either side does it
Value is fair but don't know if either side bothers doing it to be honest.

While Simmonds is a bit of an upgrade on Mac, were stacked at wing and would downgrade our D just to upgrade the wing a bit so ehh.

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12-16-2012, 11:32 PM
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haha.
Allow me to elaborate why this is lol-worthy.

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Frattin+Blacker? Easily.
MacArthur+3rd? Yup.
Grabovski? Nope.
Kulemin+Blacker? Close, would probably do it.
For sake of arguement we will say my proposals are for Lupul, even though the Flyers have been there done that and don't want him back.

Wellwood+Cousins? Easily
Talbot+3rd? Yup.
Read? Nope.
Zolniercyzk+Cousins? Close, would probably do it.

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12-16-2012, 11:36 PM
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Allow me to elaborate why this is lol-worthy.



For sake of arguement we will say my proposals are for Lupul, even though the Flyers have been there done that and don't want him back.

Wellwood+Cousins? Easily
Talbot+3rd? Yup.
Read? Nope.
Zolniercyzk+Cousins? Close, would probably do it.
Except every player you posted is a lesser version of the player they are being compared to.

The funniest was Zolniercyzk/Kulemin comparison.

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12-16-2012, 11:41 PM
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What exactly would be a fair trade for Simmonds?

Frattin+Blacker?
MacArthur+3rd?
Grabovski?
Kulemin+Blacker?

I know they don't need picks... but just trying to find something.
(a) Frattin & Blacker are both okay prospects, but neither provides something the Flyers need. Frattin is like a slightly worse Matt Read, while Blacker is only marginally better than the Flyers' crop of guys like Gustafsson, Manning, and Bourdon. No go.

(b) MacArthur is much less valuable than Simmonds. A 3rd round pick doesn't come close to closing the gap.

(c) The Leafs would have to be stupid to trade their best center for Simmonds. The Flyers wouldn't make this deal either - we are loaded with centers.

(d) Kulemin just had a horrible season. Blacker doesn't bridge the gap between Kulemin and Simmonds.

If the Leafs want Simmonds, they'll have to give up something more valuable that the Flyers actually need. Jake Gardiner comes to mind. I know Leafs fans are high on Gardiner, and for good reason, but Simmonds likely wouldn't be traded for anyone else.

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12-16-2012, 11:44 PM
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Except every player you posted is a lesser version of the player they are being compared to.

The funniest was Zolniercyzk/Kulemin comparison.
Yea sorry...I couldn't think of anyone on our roster that went from 30 goals in 82 games to 7 goals in 70 games in one season. Harry Z had 3 goals in 38 games with an avg ice time of 7 minutes so I figured that was compareable

Regardless you get my drift.

Another point? I'd take Wellwood and Cousins over Frattin and Blacker anyday of the week same with Talbot vs Mac

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12-16-2012, 11:49 PM
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Allow me to elaborate why this is lol-worthy.



For sake of arguement we will say my proposals are for Lupul, even though the Flyers have been there done that and don't want him back.

Wellwood+Cousins? Easily
Talbot+3rd? Yup.
Read? Nope.
Zolniercyzk+Cousins? Close, would probably do it.
Talbot could score 62 points in a season? hell, let's see it.

Zolniercyk is Kulemin's comparable?

Simmonds is a better comparable. If you flip each of there last years around you get a pretty similar player.

Kulemin's good year - 30 goals, 57 points
Simmonds good year - 28 goals, 49 points

Kulemin's bad year - 7 goals, 28 points (in 10 less games)
Simmonds bad year - 14 goals, 30 points

Kulemin has the edge defensively while Simmonds has the edge physically.


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12-16-2012, 11:57 PM
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Yea sorry...I couldn't think of anyone on our roster that went from 30 goals in 82 games to 7 goals in 70 games in one season. Harry Z had 3 goals in 38 games with an avg ice time of 7 minutes so I figured that was compareable

Regardless you get my drift.

Another point? I'd take Wellwood and Cousins over Frattin and Blacker anyday of the week same with Talbot vs Mac
Well that my friend, is called homerism.

And besides the horrible comparisons, you'd trade Talbot and a 3rd for Lupul but Harry Z and Cousins you would only "probably" do? Between the Kulemin comparison and this you must be real high on Zolniercyzk.

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12-17-2012, 12:56 AM
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Well that my friend, is called homerism.

And besides the horrible comparisons, you'd trade Talbot and a 3rd for Lupul but Harry Z and Cousins you would only "probably" do? Between the Kulemin comparison and this you must be real high on Zolniercyzk.
Thats the point.... I know they are ridiculous proposals, I was responding to this

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Frattin+Blacker? Easily.
MacArthur+3rd? Yup.
Grabovski? Nope.
Kulemin+Blacker? Close, would probably do it.

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12-17-2012, 01:04 AM
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I love it when leaf fans say that simmonds is a slight upgrade on macarthur. please stop. the way simmonds is progressing he will be a consistent 30-35 goal forward who is pretty good at scrapping to. (slight upgrade)

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12-17-2012, 01:12 AM
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Something like gardiner for simmonds maybe. Philly needs d which toronto has and toronto needs size and toughness.

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12-17-2012, 01:25 AM
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Thats the point.... I know they are ridiculous proposals, I was responding to this
So, the Leafs should trade their best center and one of the better 2nd line centers in the league for another winger? Grabovski is an obvious no, why is that hard to believe?

Kulemin had roughly the same value Simmonds has right now, last year. Kulemin's value has dropped but his defensive game and physical game are still very present and he has the potential to be a consistent 20-30 goal scorer. Jesse Blacker is also added to the deal. So, like I said, it's close but I would probably do it.

The Frattin/Blacker and MacArthur/3rd deals are in obvious favour of Toronto and that showed in my responses.

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12-17-2012, 06:59 PM
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kulemin and blacker does not get it done. Gardiner for simmonds gets it done.

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kulemin and blacker does not get it done. Gardiner for simmonds gets it done.
I would give it a long hard look IF we were weak at wing. We are not, therefore there is no real point in doing it.

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12-17-2012, 07:49 PM
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When a Leaf has a breakout year it's a fluke but when a Flyer doubles his single season career high in goals in a year he's a perennial 35 goal scorer in the future. Funny how that works.

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12-17-2012, 07:57 PM
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When a Leaf has a breakout year it's a fluke but when a Flyer doubles his single season career high in goals in a year he's a perennial 35 goal scorer in the future. Funny how that works.
Reputation is how that works out, because when a Leafs player does it, he's suddenly the next Pavel Bure and a lock for the Rocket Richard.


All of those trades are awful, and an absolute joke that tells me the OP is completely unaware of what our team needs are and how important Simmonds is to our team.

Only way id think about trading Simmonds to Toronto is in a deal that includes Gardiner, otherwise, carry on.

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I don't believe gardiner's season was a fluke. He's quality and is gonna be a good one. I wouldn't be surprised to see a small sophomore dip but he's quality. I also think Simmonds is quality so if u were serious about him it seemed like a good fit. I also thought the leafs were carrying about 10 nhl defenceman and if jvr works at center simmonds would add to a quality top 6.

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Nikolai Kulemin has been in the league for the same 4 years as Wayne Simmonds, he is only 2 years older, both are 2nd round draft picks. Kulemin has a higher goals per game, assists per game, and he is better defensively.

But somehow Kulemin + a decent defensive prospect for Simmonds is an insulting and atrocious proposal .

Classic hf.

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