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Carl Gunnarsson for a forward

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12-17-2012, 09:34 PM
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Carl Gunnarsson for a forward

Ideally I'd be looking for a center, But wingers are accepted as well.

Also my preference is a one for one deal, But again all ideas are welcome.


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12-17-2012, 09:37 PM
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Leafs should keep him. He's their only stay-at-home dman...unless you count Komisarek.

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12-17-2012, 09:49 PM
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I think he'd be a good fit in the Burgh, but I have no idea what we could realistically offer.

I think he's too important to Toronto's blueline in comparison to the return he would garner.

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12-17-2012, 09:51 PM
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Why would the Leafs want to trade Gunnarsson anyway? He's one of the most important defencemen on the team.

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Gunnarsson is extremely important to us.

He's our #2 Dman and our best Dman defensively. We don't need more forwards at the expense of him, unless its a #1 C

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12-17-2012, 09:57 PM
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Leafs should keep him. He's their only stay-at-home dman...unless you count Komisarek.
This, it would make no sense whatsoever to move him at this point. He is our hird most important d-man right now, only Phaneuf and Gardiner are more important than him on the roster.

I would move Liles instead.

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12-17-2012, 09:58 PM
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Gunnarsson is extremely important to us.

He's our #2 Dman and our best Dman defensively. We don't need more forwards at the expense of him, unless its a #1 C
#3, bud. Gardiner and Phaneuf are ahead of him.

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12-17-2012, 10:00 PM
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I'd move Liles before Gunnar, and I have a feeling people would be willing to pay more for his fancy point values anyway.

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Hes worth more to us then we'd get in a one for one trade. I'd want at minimum a 2nd line winger and that almost assuredly wont happen.

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12-17-2012, 10:08 PM
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#3, bud. Gardiner and Phaneuf are ahead of him.
Nope. Gardiner is behind Gunnarsson because he doesn't play defence as well. Gunnarsson is a better player even strength and much better on the penalty kill.

There are plenty of offensive defenceman on the Leafs but only one good defensive defenceman.

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Cal Clutterbuck. Deal?

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Cal Clutterbuck. Deal?
Nope.

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12-17-2012, 10:56 PM
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Hes worth more to us then we'd get in a one for one trade. I'd want at minimum a 2nd line winger and that almost assuredly wont happen.
I don't get this winger talk. We have abundance of wingers on our roster and that is probably our most important strength at the moment. If anything, I had only trade Gunnar in package for an upgrade a la Smid or Vlasic.

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12-17-2012, 11:27 PM
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I'd probably do Greening but the Leafs wouldnt.

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Nope.
A simple "nope" doesn't really get this any further. Why no? The value is there. While Clutterbuck ain't no top-6 forward, he is one of the best 3rd liners in NHL. We all know he hits hard, but he also has a decent shot and good wheels, and he never stops trying.

That being said, I can see why you don't want to do that. But you can't deny that it doesn't really require much tweaking to get it done.

How about something along these lines:



Cal Clutterbuck
San Jose 2013 3rd round pick (acquired on the Sheppard trade)



Carl Gunnarsson
Toronto 2014 5th round pick

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12-18-2012, 12:07 AM
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Better off keeping the guy

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12-18-2012, 12:14 AM
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With Gunnarssoon alone you're not going to get a top six forward that is an uprade on what the Leafs already have and dealing him would leave a significant hole on D.

He's a valueable piece though and would be interesting as part of a package for a #1 centre or Goalie, Toronto's only real needs.

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12-18-2012, 12:16 AM
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A simple "nope" doesn't really get this any further. Why no? The value is there. While Clutterbuck ain't no top-6 forward, he is one of the best 3rd liners in NHL. We all know he hits hard, but he also has a decent shot and good wheels, and he never stops trying.

That being said, I can see why you don't want to do that. But you can't deny that it doesn't really require much tweaking to get it done.

How about something along these lines:



Cal Clutterbuck
San Jose 2013 3rd round pick (acquired on the Sheppard trade)



Carl Gunnarsson
Toronto 2014 5th round pick
Doesn't help Toronto any. We don't need bottom-6 forwards. Got a bunch of 'em, and a whole lot more coming up from the minors in the next few years. The only holes Toronto needs to address are goaltending, Top-6 center depth, and another top-line winger (all IMO of course).

This trade just makes us worse defensively while bolstering a third line that isn't a big priority. Although Cal would definitely bring some truculence.

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12-18-2012, 12:24 AM
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Why not giving a shoot to Carl Gunnarsson to play as a forward before trying to trade him for one?

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A simple "nope" doesn't really get this any further. Why no? The value is there. While Clutterbuck ain't no top-6 forward, he is one of the best 3rd liners in NHL. We all know he hits hard, but he also has a decent shot and good wheels, and he never stops trying.

That being said, I can see why you don't want to do that. But you can't deny that it doesn't really require much tweaking to get it done.

How about something along these lines:



Cal Clutterbuck
San Jose 2013 3rd round pick (acquired on the Sheppard trade)



Carl Gunnarsson
Toronto 2014 5th round pick
I'll agree that it is a decent offer, as was the Greening one.

It just doesn't make sense to trade the Leafs best defensive defenseman for a winger, especially a 3rd line winger. Trying to balance out the trade with B-level prospects or mid-round draft picks doesn't make this deal much more appealing.

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12-18-2012, 01:34 AM
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Doesn't help Toronto any. We don't need bottom-6 forwards. Got a bunch of 'em, and a whole lot more coming up from the minors in the next few years. The only holes Toronto needs to address are goaltending, Top-6 center depth, and another top-line winger (all IMO of course).

This trade just makes us worse defensively while bolstering a third line that isn't a big priority. Although Cal would definitely bring some truculence.
Not too many proven top 6 forwards would be available for Gunnarsson. And top of the line prospects (those that likely develop into top forwards), teams usually have no reason to move, since they likely them enough to draft them in the first place. So the best you can probably target are potential top forwards that have recent tough stretches, or those close to UFA.

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With Gunnarssoon alone you're not going to get a top six forward that is an uprade on what the Leafs already have and dealing him would leave a significant hole on D.

He's a valueable piece though and would be interesting as part of a package for a #1 centre or Goalie, Toronto's only real needs.
Toronto needs more defensive defencemen as well... hence our reluctance to trade Carl away.

Toronto needs a great many things if it isnt all too apparent by now.

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12-18-2012, 06:32 AM
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A simple "nope" doesn't really get this any further. Why no? The value is there. While Clutterbuck ain't no top-6 forward, he is one of the best 3rd liners in NHL. We all know he hits hard, but he also has a decent shot and good wheels, and he never stops trying.

That being said, I can see why you don't want to do that. But you can't deny that it doesn't really require much tweaking to get it done.

How about something along these lines:



Cal Clutterbuck
San Jose 2013 3rd round pick (acquired on the Sheppard trade)



Carl Gunnarsson
Toronto 2014 5th round pick
i love gunnar but hell YES

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A simple "nope" doesn't really get this any further. Why no? The value is there. While Clutterbuck ain't no top-6 forward, he is one of the best 3rd liners in NHL. We all know he hits hard, but he also has a decent shot and good wheels, and he never stops trying.

That being said, I can see why you don't want to do that. But you can't deny that it doesn't really require much tweaking to get it done.

How about something along these lines:



Cal Clutterbuck
San Jose 2013 3rd round pick (acquired on the Sheppard trade)



Carl Gunnarsson
Toronto 2014 5th round pick
I very like Gunnarsson and want to keep him, but I'd do this from the Leafs. Clutterbuck is just awesome and a very good fit for the Leafs.

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